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Look unto Christ!

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By Elizabeth Prata

Charles Spurgeon was converted by a stumbling layman substituting in the pulpit for a pastor stuck elsewhere in a snowstorm. Spurgeon was making his way to his own church too, but the raging storm forced him to this tiny church instead, the Primitive Methodist Church at Colchester.

The layman, a cobbler or a tailor, didn’t say much, he didn’t even pronounce the words correctly, he just kept referring to the text. Here it is in the King James Version because that is the text the layman read,

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22).

You can read more of Spurgeon’s conversion story here, which is in Spurgeon’s own words and an encouraging read. You don’t have to be a seminary Ph.D. to share verses that the Lord uses to pierce a heart and a conscience.

Spurgeon referred to that moment frequently in his sermons and in his autobiography. Here is Charles Spurgeon excerpt of a sermon where he is speaking of the conscience.

Struggles of Conscience
By Charles Haddon Spurgeon September 23, 1860
Scripture: Job 13:23
From: New Park Street Pulpit Volume 6

Christ, that is the beginning and the end, the first and the last. The plain gospel is just this, “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth.” “But, Lord, I cannot see anything.” “Look unto me.” 

“But, Lord, I do not feel.” “Look unto me.” 

“But, Lord, I cannot say I feel my need.” “Look unto me, not unto thyself; all this is looking to thyself.”

“But, Lord, I feel sometimes that I could do anything, but a week passes, and then I am hard of heart.” “Look unto me.”

“But Lord, I have often tried.” “Try no more, look unto me.”

“Oh, but Lord thou knowest.” “Yes. I know all things. I know everything, all thine iniquity and thy sins, but look unto me.”

“Oh, but often, Lord, when I have heard a sermon I feel impressed, yet it is like the morning cloud and the early dew; it passes away.” “Look unto me,” not to thy feelings or thy impressions, look unto me.”

“Well,” says one, “but will that really save me, just looking to Christ?”

My dear soul, if that does not save thee I am not saved. The only way in which I have been saved, and the only gospel I can find in the Bible is looking to Christ. “But if I go on in sin,” says one. But you cannot go on in sin; your looking to Christ will cure you that habit of sin. “But if my heart remains hard?” It cannot remain hard; you will find that looking to Christ will keep you from having a hard heart. It is just as we sing in the penitential hymn of gratitude,—

“Dissolved by thy mercy I fall to the ground,
And weep to the praise of the mercy I’ve found.”

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Prata potpourri: Video-palooza- Nature encounters, Beauty, and Creative Challenges

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By Elizabeth Prata

There is much ugliness in the world. I, too, am waiting for the day in heaven when the responsibilities Jesus gives us do not weigh so heavy. In the Garden, work was easy. It was after the fall that God cursed the ground and made labor so hard for us humans. (Genesis 3:17-19). The creatures were subject to the Fall too. All creation groans under the weight of sin that permeates everything. (Romans 8:21-22). Every leaf, every blade of grass, every cloud, nebulous as they look. Laced with sin. Our relationship with the animals changed and now they have the fear and dread of man put on them. (Genesis 9:2). Sin drenches everything.

Someday, all that will be reversed. Our relationship with each other, with the creation, and with His creatures will be released from sin and death.

I often think, when seeing a gorgeous sunset, a bounding animal, a delicate flower, if creation fell with Adam, and sin pollutes it all, and it’s still THIS beautiful, what will heaven be like? I love beauty. In these dark times when kindness is in short supply and pain presents a screen in front of our eyes to diminish God’s beauty around us, what will it be like in the future glory?

I saw a few videos of animals interacting with humans, animals doing their graceful thing they do. See this eagle. How majestic, graceful and beautiful. We can see why the eagle is used as a metaphor in Isaiah 40:31,

Yet those who wait for the LORD Will gain new strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk and not become weary.

I don’t think leviathan is the whale but here is a verse that extols the Lord’s creation of the sea creatures,

LORD, how many are Your works! In wisdom You have made them all; The earth is full of Your possessions. There is the sea, great and broad, In which are swarms without number, Animals both small and great. The ships move along there, And Leviathan, which You have formed to have fun in it. (Psalm 104:24-26)

Elephants are amazing! When I was a youth and learned of poachers killing them for their ivory tusks I was so crushed. Elephants are not mentioned in the Bible (though ivory is). This ancient synagogue’s excavation revealed a mosaic of a group of elements, a non-biblical scene. It is in Galilee. Article source

The Huqoq synagogue’s 5th century mosaic, with the upper part showing a war elephant. (photo credit: Jim Haberman). Huqoq is very near to Capernaum, Jesus’ frequent home base.

Watch 3 minutes of time lapse of flowers blooming. Just take a breath, pause, and let your thoughts go to God who made these, sustains these, season after season. Beauty is of God.

Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. The earth produced vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, according to their kind; and God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. (Genesis 1:11-13).

And now for something completely different. I often set myself photo challenges. I liked his self-made challenge to capture 1000 human moments in one week. His advice on setting yourself a challenge, any challenge, and just get out there and do it is good advice.

I saw this video because I like notebooks. The algorithm pops these up on my Youtube timeline and I tuned into this one. We oldsters know the distracting capabilities of a phone or a computer. But it was refreshing to hear a youngster say it. He explained it so well how carrying his phone interrupted his creative process. He articulated the issue in a way I found perfect. Take a listen. 9-minutes.

Enjoy the videos, enjoy the day. The Lord God made it all.

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Attending a transgender/gay wedding? Alistair Begg’s reply and the outcry

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By Elizabeth Prata

Scottish born Alistair Begg has been pastoring and preaching at Parkside Church in Cleveland since 1983. That’s over 40 years at the same church, something to celebrate. His online ministry is called Truth for Life.

He is well-known and looked at credibly by his peers. He has not been involved in any huge scandals. His preaching to my knowledge is straightforward and unapologetic on ALL the Bible’s texts.

This week a video surfaced where this past September 2023 Begg was interviewed by Bob Lepine at Truth for Life, promoting Begg’s new book, The Christian Manifesto. Begg was asked a question of how people might be changed reading Begg’s book. Part of Begg’s answer included a surprising reply.

Begg said he’d a conversation with a grandmother about her grandson inviting the grandma to the grandson’s wedding ceremony. He was marrying a transgender person. Begg acknowledged that people may not like his answer, but he said he’d encouraged the grandma to attend and to buy the homosexual couple a gift. It was OK because the grandma, she assured Begg, had already made known to her grandson that she doesn’t approve of his lifestyle, and that her disapproval was in the name of Jesus and the cause of holy sexual ethics. Begg said her attendance would signal love and compassion, and might take him by surprise, whereas her absence would spark accusations of judgmentalness and criticism.

Discernment thought #1

If we really think about Begg’s reply, it seems that his definition of love is more the world’s than Jesus’. When Jesus confronted the Woman at the Well about her sexual sin, He didn’t say I love you, here’s a housewarming gift for you and the man you’re living with, and by the way I don’t approve of your living situation. That would not make sense would it? It’s conflicting behavior.

Secondly, we never base a response to sin on whether the people would receive it critically. We are told to prepare for mocking and scoffing, hate, and even martyrdom. The lawless hate their deeds being brought to the light, but we must trust the Lord to convict them when we adhere to His standards and live and speak them into a darkening world.

Begg’s reply caused a furor online, with people’s reactions running the gamut from ‘off with his head’ to ‘what’s the big deal’. Most comments were somewhere in between.

Discernment thought #2

When a long-standing, credible pastor or teacher makes an “out there” reply to a question, or suddenly preaches something contrary to the word of God or to what he has preached before, take a breath. Here is Meg Basham’s take, one I agree with:

Megan Basham @megbasham Even the best, most godly preachers and teachers can have a bad take. Even a really bad take. I don’t stop listening to them unless it 1) becomes a pattern that shows a general lack of discernment or 2) clearly endorses heresy. I’m bummed about the Alistair Begg clip circulating. But it’s a bad take against a lifetime of faithful teaching. Hopefully he’ll address it. 39.9K Views

Discernment thought #3

But this is not the first time I scratched my head over something Begg said he believed. There are two other instances that I know of that gave me pause in Alistair Begg’s discernment in the recent past.

Issue with A. Begg #2 (the first issue being attending a trans/gay wedding, already discussed above).

In 2019 he preached that women can speak to the gathered congregation in church on a Sunday, if the elders decide they want her to. If she has something worthwhile to share. Since she is “not speaking as a pastor or in rule and authority”, she can teach at the podium, Begg said, and it does not violate the prohibition in 1 Timothy 2:12. Forbidding women from speaking to the church on a Sunday is “making a law out of a principle,” Begg advised. Listen to him say this here: “Christian Women” slide to 30:00.

No. Paul’s prohibition was clear. Women may not teach or usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence. An elder’s permission does not trump the biblical rule.

Issue with A. Begg #3

Also in 2019, Alistair Begg appeared at a conference with Beth Moore, Tony Evans, and a female reverend called Mary Hulst. His ministry was contacted by a concerned bystander, and amazingly they answered. Begg, through the media contact, said he was also concerned about Moore and Evans, but he’d committed to the conference prior to knowing who else would be there. He also said he wanted to preach the Gospel wherever he went. Lastly, he wasn’t sharing the platform with these folks, just being present at the same conference.

This to me, is a disingenuous answer. Sharing the conference IS sharing the platform. Sharing your good name with false teachers throws mud on your name AND the name of Jesus. It’s also biblically forbidden. Secondly, it’s foolish to agree to speak at a place before you know who else will be there. Just…don’t do that. No one does that. And preaching the gospel wherever you go…well, I’d answered that above. There are some places we don’t share with false teachers. Why else did Paul become so upset at the demon possessed girl? She was saying a TRUE thing, but it came from demonic lips.

What Does 2 John Have to Teach Us about Partnering with False Teachers? 9Marks-
What this means practically for those in ministry is that they should not, in any way, under any circumstance, lock arms with heretical teachers, pastors, authors, professors, or anyone in any capacity who comes to you bringing a different Jesus.

This includes: Conferences, Prayer Breakfasts, Bible Studies, Pastors Coalitions, Parachurch ministries, Pulpit Swaps, Book Recommendations, Article sharing or website promoting, And more.

The Trans/Gay Wedding issue

How would Begg’s peers who are at his level reply to a similar question? Here are past replies to the question “Would you attend a gay wedding if invited?” from other pastors. These comments are not a response to the current issue with Alistair.

John Piper: “No. One, it is not a wedding, because it is not a marriage…” more here.

John MacArthur: “No matter how much you desire to be compassionate to the homosexual, your first sympathies belong to the Lord and to the exaltation of His righteousness.” more here

Kevin DeYoung at Ligonier: “A wedding ceremony, in the Christian tradition, is first of all a worship service. So if the union being celebrated in the service cannot be biblically sanctioned as an act of worship, we believe the service lends credence to a lie. We cannot in good conscience participate in a service of false worship.” More here

Voddie Baucham:

Owen Strahan responds to Begg’s stance on attending gay weddings, here

RESOURCE–

Here is David Murray at Heart Head Hand blog (a counseling site) with a hypothetical answer on what he would say if his son came out as gay. I thought it was a good in-between response that showed his son fatherly love but also set Christian boundaries: What letter would you write to a gay son?

CONCLUSION

While we don’t leap on a teacher who has been solid for years with the first little tittle they say that appears to vary from the Bible, we do wait to see if there is a pattern. Alistair Begg has partnered with people who he knows aren’t solid, has overturned the prohibition for women teaching and preaching in church, and has seemed to have gone soft on practical applications in life regarding homosexuality/transgender. It is my opinion he has established a pattern that bears close watching. Perhaps the outcry will cause Pastor Begg to re-examine his stance in this hot-button issue, and perhaps he’d also pray for more discernment on the other two issues. We pray and wait to see.

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Worship interlude: Praising a sovereign Savior

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By Elizabeth Prata

Overcome one day with meeting with Jesus in His word, I wrote this poem. We are not led by emotions, that’s emotionalism. See link below for more on that.

But we are emotional people. We feel. When we respond to what we have learned about Jesus from His word, when we are awed by His majesty, humbled by His power, overcome with lowliness in love for His heights, we’re having an emotional response and it’s OK.

Stephen Nichols at Ligonier: emotions vs emotionalism:
What do you think about emotional sensationalism in the modern church?

Poem by EPrata

You, my Lord, are on your throne
Sovereignly ordaining everything
 
The leaf that falls
The sparrow that flies
The heart that beats
The heart that fails.
 
Your creation made
To shouts of joy from angels,
The elder who falls asleep,
Carried to your throne by ministering spirits,
 
The wind does not blow without Your will and direction,
The sea dare not cross its boundary.
 
The rooster does not crow three times
Without your knowledge.
Your people, slumbering
Waken to new life
In You–
 
The King
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Correct-A-Meme #2

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By Elizabeth Prata

I started a series in 2016 called #MemeHeresies. The name came from a sister named Jess Pickowicz who used it on Twitter (Now called X), she said I could use the name. I wrote three essays about memes that are passed around but actually contain heresies. I’ll link to those below.

Then in 2023 I changed the name to “Correct-A-Meme.” These are memes, that may not be actually heretical but do perpetuate false notions and false concepts twisted from the Bible. I’ll link to that one as well.

False doctrine does not come into a church and then to a congregant’s heart and mind solely by the pulpit. In fact, many pastors guard the pulpit vigilantly. It also comes in through the church library. Through Sunday School curricula. Through women’s studies (and men’s studies). And outside the church it comes in via social media, invitations to parachurch events, conferences…and memes.

Memes are not neutral. They are pithy statements of spiritual concepts passed around to audiences that number in the thousands. They may be correct. They may be correct but misquoted its source. Or, more normally, memes contain false doctrine. Picture milkweed seeds. Dandelions are weeds. Their seeds fly aloft in abundance and land indiscriminately to sprout more pesty weeds.

That said, there is a meme going around social media that I’d like to address. It contains several statements that I see often. They are usually misunderstood.

Here is the meme I am taking the time to correct. I’ll go through it line by line.

Line 1: “This year I want to be more like Jesus”.

This appears to be the thesis statement for the meme.

That is a great resolution. Our sanctification does move us from our innate depravity toward Christ-likeness. The Holy Spirit does that, along with our own individual efforts to “work out our salvation with fear and trembling”. We pray, read His word, engage in holy living, and be obedient. These (and other efforts) will make us like Christ. (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

The meme then goes on to add specific ways to achieve the thesis:

Line 2: “Hang out with sinners”.

No. First of all, I’m offended by the language. Jesus didn’t ‘hang out’. He came to do specific work, which He began purposefully and completed purposefully. (Luke 2:49; John 19:30). Yes, Jesus engaged with sinners. He did so in order to call them to repentance. I wonder how many people who ‘hang out with sinners’ are telling them to repent for they are under wrath,…or are hanging out simply as a cover to continue their sinful ways…

Secondly, everyone is a sinner. At that time, almost all people were sinners. Only a few were called righteous or favored) (Simeon, Joseph of Arimathea, Mary…). It was the Pharisees who’d separated the demographic into righteous and sinner, calling tax collectors and prostitutes sinners but not themselves. Everyone is a sinner though. (Romans 3:10)

And remember, Jesus was perfectly holy. We are not. Many verses remind us of the dangers of partnering with sinners for any length of time. It is a snare that more likely brings us down rather than them, up. When you drop a glove in the mud, the mud doesn’t get glovey.

Psalm 1:1-2, Proverbs 13:20, Proverbs 22: 24–25 warns not to stay with sinners… In some cases we are told to move on if they reject, (Matthew 10:14) and in other cases warned to we are warned to avoid them completely, 2 Timothy 3: 2–5.

Line 3: “Upset religious people”.

No. This is called divisiveness. It’s bad to be divisive. Religious people are the brethren, blood-bought and part of our spiritual family. Why would you resolve to purposely upset your family? Titus 3:10 says “Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning“

Proverbs 6:19 says the LORD hates those who sow discord among brothers. If what is meant in Line 3 is to upset pastors, that’s worse. They are worthy of double honor. We are to submit to them, not upset them.

If it means upset the unsaved or the hypocrites who aren’t really saved but act as if they are, the Gospel will upset them naturally. They will be offended by truth, which to them is the aroma of death to death. (2 Corinthians 2:16). Don’t be purposefully divisive. It’s unbiblical.

Line 4: “Tell stories that make people think”

We’re not Jesus telling parables. Jesus’ parables often confused people, even the disciples. They asked him in Matthew 13:10, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” Those who heard His parables (“stories”) often went away perplexed. That is because He was TRYING to confuse them. Even the disciples often had to ask what they meant.

If the meme means to tell “stories” that are anecdotes from your own experience, that’s not the word of God. The BEST thing to make people think is to share truth plainly, and then to pray the Holy Spirit applies it to their mind.

Speak the word from the Bible. Share verses and concepts plainly so as to give grace to the hearers. The word of God makes people think enough, as the Holy Spirit applies either conviction or transformation to the hearer.

Line 5: “Choose unpopular friends”

If they mean unpopular because they are unbelieving rampant sinners, then, as I said before, many verses advise against that. (2 Corinthians 6:14, 1 Corinthians 15:33, 1 John 2:15).

We are supposed to love everyone. (1 John 4:7). If the meme means to choose unpopular people because they are unpopular, then this is favoritism in reverse. Jesus frowns on partiality. (James 2:1).

This is good advice from the Old Testament:

‘You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you shall judge your neighbor in righteousness. (Leviticus 19:15).

Line 6: Be kind, loving, merciful

This is what the Bible tells us to do. Over and over. It’s a good resolution, but it needs a Bible verse attached:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23).

Line 7: “Take naps on boats”

If you have access to a boat, then by all means nap away! However, the thesis at the top was to be more like Jesus. Napping on boats…unsure how that gets me to be more Christlike.

I parsed this meme hard because I wanted to highlight the absurdity of it. I also wanted to make the reader remember that when we absorb ANYTHING: movie, book, tv, meme, verses (often out of context on social media), we aren’t engaging in something neutral. I ask you all to THINK about what you are consuming. THINK about what you’re ;passing on. The nature of social media is fast superficial bytes without a lot of deep thought. Resist that.

Is napping on a boat really going to advance your sanctification? Will hanging out with sinners help your holiness? Is it good to purposely upset people?

Memes aren’t neutral. Think before you pass one of them on.

Further Reading

Justin Peters Inigo Montoya Series (That verse doesn’t mean what you think it means).

Correct-A-Meme

MemeHeresies on Facebook and how to refute them

MemeHeresy: Christine Caine’s nudges & whispers from God

MemeHeresy: Don’t be a Pineapple

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Discernment: Women on the ‘Speaking circuit’- example, Jackie Hill Perry

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By Elizabeth Prata

Jackie Hill Perry Partnering with Bill Johnson at Bethel Music School

Woman are biblically urged to be at home, tend to their home, abide in their home, and perform duties oriented to the home. Are you getting the idea? The Proverbs 31 woman did all she did FOR the home, which is biblically her sphere.

1 Timothy 5:14, Titus 2:5, Proverbs 14:1 are just a few of the verses that outline a woman’s sphere.

That’s not to say that the husband and the wife may make other decisions based on certain circumstances. That’s not to say that at certain times it may require a woman to be away from the home for work or other reasons. I am not setting a mandate.

The Bible however, does make some clear statements that a wife’s primary orientation circulates around the home- especially when she has children. It should be her priority. This isn’t a popular statement these days.

In 2016 at the height of popularity for Joanna Gaines of Magnolia Enterprises, I wrote that she was a hypocrite and a liar. Joanna constantly claimed in interviews and on her TV program “Fixer Upper” that she was a mom first and her children were her priority. I showed with facts that this was not true. Her orientation was for herself according to her own “testimony”, her enterprises, her books, her speaking, her TV program, her bakery, her furniture store, her design products, her book tour, and so on. I received a LOT of heat for saying this. But I mean, you could even SEE it on the TV show. Facts are facts.

Don’t only listen to what they say. Watch what they do. Both must match up.

Jackie Hill Perry at the Activate 2019 conference with other speakers

I took heat for saying that Beth Moore was also a hypocrite and a liar for the same reason- not there for her kids. Beth’s public speaking engagements, IRS tax return statements of working 50 hours a week as President of her corporation, her own admissions in her blog writing of travels for writing, book tours, and television taping added up to a busy career women. Her lifestyle contradicted her claim that she was at home for her kids. Eventually, a few years later when her two daughters were grown they admitted in an interview that mom was gone a lot, dad picked up the slack, and they “ate a lot of takeout.” The interviewer also said of Moore, “Her days are tightly scheduled and obsessively focused on writing. She spends hours alone in an office…”

Propel Activate women’s conference 2019 tagline. We are not called to lead, nor step out

She is boisterous and rebellious, Her feet do not dwell at home; (Proverbs 7:11)

Speaking of hypocrites, when Diana Stone was writing for She Reads Truth, we read in Diana Stone’s bio that, “You can find her in the mornings with a cup of coffee and her Bible flung open, preparing for the day ahead.” And “With a sweet daughter in tow, Diana clings to God’s Word daily.” It turns out that Mrs Stone relaxes with the Bible “flung open” … after she drops her daughter to daycare. At the time of that writing, in 2014, the couple had employed a part time nanny to care for their daughter in their home so Mrs Stone could work as a freelance writer. After bumping along with several nannies, they put their child in daycare so Mrs Stone could continue to write at home. So yes, she was at home…while a day care worker took care of her kid.

Don’t only listen to what they say. Watch what they do. It must match up.

Mr Jerry Shirer “does his share of housework and child care so that Priscilla can study and write. He travels with his wife everywhere. Whenever possible, they take their sons along on her speaking trips, but they often deposit the boys with Jerry’s mother.” Quote

It is impossible for a woman to claim undivided attention for the children at home AND have an outside the house career, especially when it’s evident by reading their blogs, seeing their speaking schedules, and just having common sense to see their lifestyle.

When a woman has a full-time “ministry,” AKA career, it means the children will suffer a lack of attention from the mom. Which brings us to another career woman, Jackie Hill Perry. One of the main indicators of whether a woman is genuinely converted and submitted to the word of God is seeing her home life. Where is her attention? If she is a mother, do her children come first? Did she submit to the word of God as per her role and let go other entanglements? Or is she using the word “ministry” as a synonym for career and living a lifestyle at odds with the word of God?

In Jackie’s case, she has four children under the age of 10. To the best of my research, her kids are currently 9, 6, 3, and 2. Unlike Joanna, Beth, and Diana, Priscilla; Jackie hasn’t to my knowledge claimed to be an at-home mom. She is proud of her kids and writes of them often, but doesn’t try to maintain a fiction of being a SAHM.

At Jackie’s website her speaking engagements for 2023 were listed. It looked like a busy year of travel away from her children for this mom of four.

2023:
March 10-11. New Orleans, LA.
March 17-18. Atlanta (Decatur), GA.
April 14-15. Kansas City, MO.
April 21-22. Philadelphia, PA.
August 18-19. Greensboro, NC.
September 8-9. Grand Rapids (Wyoming), MI.
September 22-23. Dallas, TX.
September 29-30. Sacramento, CA
October 27-28. Knoxville TN

Jackie’s speaking engagements in 2024, many of which require travel, are below. The list is INCOMPLETE, these are just the ones I could find individually searching. JHP’s speaking event page on her website isn’t updated for 2024 yet.

January 10: podcast interview
February 23-24: Philadelphia PA
February 23: Canada (online)
March 1-2: Ft Worth TX
April 12-13: Bluefield W.VA
July 10-19: Bethel, Redding CA (It’s a 10-day event, I do not know which day or all of the days JHP is appearing there).

I wrote yesterday about JHP’s trajectory away from orthodoxy and that in many people’s estimation (mine included) partnering with heretic Bill Johnson AT Bethel to teach at their music school crossed the line.

Jackie Hill Perry claims to hear directly from God, basks with heretics, refuses wise counsel, rejects correction, and calls setting doctrinal boundaries ‘tribalism.’ But add to the cadre of items to be reviewed when assessing an influencer or teacher, is her home life.

I think it is QUITE telling when a mom of children gallivants all around the country for speaking engagements, leaving the care of her children to someone else (OR dragging them with her like Shirer did) in order to curate her own career. Oh, they call it “ministry”, they call it “using their God-given gifts”, but it’s a career. When you have kids, according to God, your ministry IS the kids. A woman’s priority according to the word of God, should be at home with them, raising them, keeping the home.

If a wife/mom won’t submit to the priority of God in this instance, what else of God does she rebel against?

Jackie Hill Perry is false. Avoid her.

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Jackie Hill Perry partnering at Bethel with Bill Johnson (this is BAD)

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By Elizabeth Prata

Jackie Hill Perry Facebook profile photo

I’ve written about poetic speaking artist, former lesbian, self-identified Christian Jackie Hill Perry (JHP) before. Negatively. And positively. But at all times had asked readers and followers of JHP to use caution.

Jackie Hill Perry renounces Enneagram
Jackie Hill Perry comes out as a prophet
Jackie Hill Perry on her false prophesying
Jackie Hill Perry Discernment Review
Jackie Hill Perry performs jig-a-boo, about not tolerating false teachers, (ironic now that she’s doing that exact thing).

We often feel such joy when a fellow member of the human race converts in faith by grace of God to His kingdom. If that person has a “platform” then all the better, some believe, because the person can use it for the glory of God. Unfortunately, we often rush to put the person up on their platform, or other platforms, forgetting to use patience and wisdom to see if their conversion is genuine.

Paul warned Timothy when explaining qualifications for pastors, that he must not be a recent convert lest he become puffed up with pride, conceit, and fall into the devil’s snare. (1 Timothy 3:6). The same concept can be applied to any new convert who is thrust into leadership before they are ready.

Preaching at UYWI National Conference Aug 21, 2019

Jackie wasn’t ready.

Spencer Smith on JHP began his latest video on JHP this way:

“False teachers operate the same way. They all do. They come out of nowhere. They start saying all the right stuff and everybody gets real excited about them. Then after a while they keep talking and then all these red flags start popping up. You’re thinking this-that doesn’t sound right. That doesn’t add up. And after a while they just start saying all these crazy things. You’re thinking now wait a minute I’m going to make a call here. Am I going to just let this go or am I going to kind of blow the whistle on this person?”

Here is a timeline of JHP’s biography as an adult starting with conversion:

2008: JHP renounces lesbianism and converts to Christianity. She’d heard the Lord speak to her. She said- “I repented of my sins that day in my bedroom, believing that Jesus was simply better.” (Better than what?)
2010: Began performing her poetry with Preston Perry.
2014: Marries Preston.
2018: Appeared in documentary American Gospel: Christ Alone as a solid Christian.
2019: Partners with some of the type of people she spoke against in the film; sparks backlash and a disinvite to Answers in Genesis conference. Open Letter from Truth + Fire is published pleading to JHP to be discerning.
2019: AG filmmaker tries to reason with JHP about her discernment. Fell on deaf ears. (see below for Facebook post about this).
2020: In a Q&A Session on Instagram Story, JHP pointedly refutes her participation in AG film, declares doctrinal divides as “tribalistic”.

“Q: Will you do another American Gospel type of documentary?
A: Probably not. I deeply dislike the tribalism and theological superiority those type of films encourage. I did it then. I won’t ever do it again.”

2021: JHP continually partners with false teachers. List from Michelle Lesley: JHP partners with false teachers-  Beth Moore, Priscilla Shirer, Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Lisa Harper, Lauren Chandler, and Amanda Bible Williams at various LifeWay Abundance and LifeWay Women Live conferences.
2022: JHP often openly mentions hearing directly from God, (see link above “JHP comes out as prophet”) and tells some prophecies ‘God’ has allegedly given her. JHP rejects pleas for her to employ better discernment.
2022: Frequent preaching at many conferences and other locations, which requires much travel. Preaches unashamedly to men.
2023/2024: December 2023 it’s revealed JHP to be a teacher at the 10-day Bethel Music School in 2024, teaching WITH Bill Johnson. See immediately below the American Gospel summation of this sad situation-

American Gospel wrote on Facebook RE JHP teaching at Bethel

In our last communication with Jackie Hill Perry (2019), we explained our concerns over her partnerships with Jenn Johnson (Bethel Music), Christine Caine (Hillsong), Sarah Jakes Roberts (daughter of T.D. Jakes) and other people connected with the Word of Faith or NAR movement. She explained that she did not agree with WoF doctrine because it was a misrepresentation of the gospel of God. But she was not in agreement with our interpretation of the Biblical lines in who we would avoid ministry partnerships with, or who would actually teaches that false doctrine.

We recently learned that Jackie will be a speaker at Bethel Music’s 2024 Worship School, alongside Bill Johnson. https://bethelmusic.com/worshipschool

Jackie also asked for our prayers for wisdom to discern what is pleasing to God, and how that affects her neighbors. We believe that her decision crosses both of those lines, because Bethel’s doctrine and practices lead people into spiritual danger, which means they should be avoided.

“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.” — Romans 16:17.

-end American Gospel Facebook note.

Screenshot from Bethel School of Music’s announcement of the 2024 courses & speakers

Yes. She has crossed that line.

The discussion circling around Jackie these past few years has been whether JHP was genuinely converted and been drawn into a circle of wolves early on but will eventually come out of it, or that she was not genuinely converted and is now unconcernedly circling with wolves. I was suspicious from the start because her original testimony contained alleged direct hearing from God, and she later admitted publicly she hears from God in personal prophecies. For this reason I do not believe she is saved.

Jackie said the right things at the beginning and sadly, the wolves glommed on to her. She was promoted, touted, and trumpeted as a trophy of God. Discerners had warned that the Bible tell not to puff a new convert too soon else they become conceited. Jackie, in my opinion, showed an almost immediate disregard for wise counsel, indicating the aforementioned puffed-up-ness. No genuine Christian even with a small amount of discernment, would be comfortable with SO MANY wolves SO OFTEN as she has been associating with. And I put the timeline to show that she is not a newbie any more. She should have grown in wisdom and discernment by now, and she hasn’t.

Avoid Jackie Hill Perry. She is with her ‘tribe’- the wolves.

Photo by Thomas Bonometti on Unsplash

Further Reading

GotQuestions: Is the Word of Faith (WoF) movement biblical?

Christian research and Apologetics Ministry: What is the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)?

Ligonier: Are there prophecies today?

Q&A various pastors at Ligonier: How do you define a false teacher?

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The LORD ‘formed’ Adam, the LORD ‘forms’ us in the womb

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By Elizabeth Prata

In Genesis 2:7 we read,

Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living person. (NASB)

It is a glory for us to be able to worship a God who is so intimate with mankind. He didn’t speak man into existence like He did the grass or the cows or the stars. He formed man personally. Then He breathed into man his own breath, giving us a soul.

In reading the Genesis verse, I was reminded also of the verse in Psalm 139:13,

For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. (ESV).

He isn’t an indifferent Allah. He isn’t a multi armed, capricious god. He isn’t a fish-god. He is GOD, and He is involved with mankind, each man and women. He formed us. He knit us together from the womb, to have this personality, these physical features.

Matthew Henry’s Commentary makes another connection,

When our Lord Jesus anointed the blind man’s eyes with clay perhaps he intimated that it was he who at first formed man out of the clay; and when he breathed on his disciples, saying, Receive you the Holy Ghost, he intimated that it was he who at first breathed into man’s nostrils the breath of life. He that made the soul is alone able to new-make it.

And He gave us a soul. Matthew Henry again,

To God that gave us these souls we must shortly give an account of them, how we have employed them, used them, proportioned them, and disposed of them; and if then it be found that we have lost them, though it were to gain the world, we shall be undone for ever.

From the beginning, God has been intimately involved with man. Not from a distance, not apathetically. Involved.

To the end God has been involved with man (“It is finished”). And He is involved as we continue through the the epilogue of His finished work; as He develops His Church, raises up His Bride, sustains His people to the end of the end when we’re all resurrected in glory living in New Jerusalem. We serve an amazing God.

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Enduring sound doctrine in the days of tickled ears

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By Elizabeth Prata

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires…(2 Timothy 4:3)

Do you notice that word “endure”? The verse does not say “they will not like sound doctrine…” It does not say “they will not enjoy sound doctrine…” It doesn’t even say “they will not accept sound doctrine.” It uses the word endure. When you endure something, you writhe. You wish you were not there in the midst of it. If anyone has ever undergone physical therapy, you know that you have to endure it but if you could you would shoot out of the gym so fast you’d be like a speeding bullet. If anyone has ever had to get a root canal, you know that you endure it. You do not seek it, you do not like it, and if you could, you go away from it.

That is the process by which lukewarm Christians, fake Christians, and unholy pastors feel about the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. To be sure, the true Gospel of the Risen Savior is full of warm fuzzies. He loves us. He prospers us. He sends angels to us.

But the True Gospel is also full of truth, the unpalatable truth that the lawless cannot endure: we are sinners. Rejection of the remedy for your sin means you will spend eternity in torment, apart from God. That there is nothing good in us. That we are fallen, craven, and deserve judgment. No, they will not endure that. So they don’t.

Instead they seek teachers to tempt us with what the devil has always tempted us with, and tempted Jesus too: health, wealth, fame. They may find it in some “preachers” and in some “churches”, but it is for a season. Most do not find prosperity in health, wealth and fame. The only ones becoming famous and rich are the false pastors who urge the hapless and desperate to send money.

A watered down gospel removes the book-end to the love parts that they seek. That other book-end is judgment. They will not endure sound teaching that His holiness involves love but it also includes righteous judgment.

“I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
“They will say of Me, ‘Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.’
Men will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame. (Isaiah 45:23-24)

The true word absorbed by submissive believers is sweet. But it is also sometimes accompanied by a bitterness felt by even the most beloved of followers, even the most obedient of disciples. Sometimes the true word is hard to hear and bitter even for believers, because it reveals to us the true state of our sinfulness and the fate of those who refuse His hand, those mockers and scorners whom we mourn over-

I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. (Revelation 10:10)

The only way to endure the knowledge of judgment that is coming is to rest on His truth and His promises. Those who do not rest in that truth, bitter as it sometimes is, do not endure it. Not only have they stopped asking the Spirit for wisdom, but they simply stop ingesting the sweet Words of the LORD and they flee away, being unstable in all they do.

If you seek sound doctrine but have had a hard time finding it, I encourage you to enjoy the teachers I have been enjoying.

Alistair Begg is a good one. He is at Truth for Life.
RC Sproul at Ligonier.org
S. Lewis Johnson at Believers Chapel
John MacArthur at Grace to You tells it like it is, compassionately. Many people don’t like that he tells it like it is, but what he tells is the word of God, from the Bible, demonstrating once again that people can’t/won’t endure the word of God applied to their heart and mind.

Has solid preaching become an endurance test for you? Or are the hard but truthful words uplifting to you and filling in every way? If you have recently changed churches because the pastor is “a little too Bible thumping for my taste”, or have you drifted away from regular worship lately because the sermons are too long, too convicting, or demand endurance on the part of your deceitful heart, then ask yourself if you are really just trying to accumulate a teacher in accordance with your own desires, and are wanting your ears tickled with a less filling but great tasting sermon. If so, you may be at risk.