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Testimony from an ex-Beth Moore follower: Lessons about Jesus, but not Jesus Himself

This precious sister whose Twitter handle is CaDaisygirl (@CaDaisygirl), wrote a heartfelt thread about her time when she had followed false teacher Beth Moore. We know and understand that Moore and other false teachers affect a denomination. Their damage impacts wide swathes of professing and true believers. The damage is real.

But what of the lone woman, wandering in a maze of doubt, loneliness, perplexity? What of the negative influence on a woman’s life when she seeks the true Jesus, but isn’t taught? What of her private and individual pain? What happens when the Gospel isn’t even part of the conversation?

 

Here is CaDaisygirl’s testimony. She asks “that we together remain in prayer that these words would be used to glorify Jesus and bring others out of darkness and into His truth and glorious light. I by no means desire to wound anyone, rather I desire that we learn to put our faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

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I was praying about and for Beth Moore last night and checking my heart in this debate. I followed Beth for many years, a staunch supporter. I read her books, did her studies, and followed her blog.

I realize now that what captured me was, well, quite frankly, Beth.

She was witty, interesting, beautiful, and had that Southern charm. Being her fan was being part of a beautiful club of engaging women who were being drawn towards Jesus. I was a much less mature Christian in those days, and hadn’t yet encountered the depravity of my sin.

From her studies, I learned I was “broken” and a “mess” and that Jesus could fix my messiness, but what I realized in my prayer time last night was that, in all the books I read, and all the studies I did, I was never lead to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Nowhere did I read that my brokenness and messiness was actually rebellion against God and His Word. Nowhere did I read that the flesh must be crucified with Christ, and it was no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me. Galatians 2:20.

Beth’s teachings dance around this concept, but never fully engage it. That is why they are so dangerous. They make you feel good to know about Jesus, without ever directing you how to know Him as Lord and Savior through repentance and surrender and obedience to His Word.

Her teachings are emotional and easy on the soul, but if a non-believer were to study them all, would they know, in the end, what is required to have a saving faith in Christ? Are her followers being drawn into a superficial knowledge of Jesus rather than a saving knowledge of Him?

That is my question and my fear, and that is why I feel compelled to speak about a ministry I so dearly loved at one time. We must use discernment in this day and age. No matter how charming a teacher may be, are they pointing us to salvation?

Are they pointing us to surrender, obedience to God’s Word, and crucifying of the flesh? Are they teaching us to die to self and live for Christ?

If not, why not?

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I praise the Lord that He draws women out of darkness. Those who follow false teachers are either given over to the lusts that allowed their desires to cloud the truth and they keep heaping up the teachers that speak to those desires, (2 Timothy 4:3) or they are brought out of darkness into the light, seeing satan for the masquerading minister of light that he actually is. (2 Corinthians 2:11)

We warn because of women who wander and remain broken but unaware of their true state and waxing worse due to the false teachers. We warn because of women who are being taught that Jesus is an add-on to their life, a fixer, but who remain unknowing of Him as savior and Lord.

I’m grateful for testimonies as grace-filled as CaDaisygirl’s is. Of her extolling Jesus who saves, who purifies His Bride. I pray her words will help another woman out there who wonders… ‘I’m broken and messy, but why aren’t I ‘fixed’?’ and that she finds true solace in repentance and glorifying Jesus for who He really is.

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What do Josh Harris and Beth Moore have in common?

By Elizabeth Prata

Wanted: SBC Church desires a substitute Sunday School Teacher for women. Term: 1-year. Prefer untrained young candidate, motivational speaking a plus. Responsibilities: Teach the word of God eisegetically to women older than yourself. It’s OK if you just think up things to speak about on Saturday night and then match some scriptures to your thoughts. Note: We will let you flounder for 9 months of the 1-year term before stepping in to help. And even then, we will only expect you to take 1 doctrine class. Bonus: Afterward, consider yourself equipped for a 35-year Bible teaching career!!

Don’t you love genesis stories? How things began? I watched the original episode that got Paladin started on his “Have Gun – Will Travel” career. That popular TV show from the 1950s and 1960s where the main character goes around fixing wrongs, featured Richard Boone, the good man in a black hat. Or the pilot episode of Gilligan’s Island (that went missing until 1992?) Did you know John MacArthur started as a youth pastor? Or that Phil Johnson started as a proofreader? Or how the universe began? Fortunately, we can read that genesis story in Genesis, starting with “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth …”

How did Beth Moore get started? The Southern Baptist Convention’s darling and biggest moneymaker Beth Moore started as a motivational speaker completely untrained for handling the word of God and in fact floundered in eisegesis for 9 months and even afterward only took 1 class in doctrine. The job description above is accurate, not a spoof or made up. It’s taken directly from Beth Moore’s own mouth as she related her genesis story to Transformation Church in a sermon to that congregation in May 2019.

Beth Moore began in her early 20s as a Christian motivational speaker. Beth herself stated in May 2019 at Transformation Church during her famous Mother’s Day sermon to the congregation that “I was already what you’d call a Christian motivational speaker.” When she was 27 years old, her church asked her to substitute teach a women’s Sunday School class of 28-31 year olds. The regular teacher was pregnant, and they needed a teacher to teach the class for one year. The youngest person in the Sunday School class was older than she was, Beth noted.

She said “It was a treacherous year”. Why? This inexperienced young motivational speaker, charged with teaching people older than herself, was thrown into the deep end with no support and no training. Further, she was a young woman teaching older ones, instead of as Paul advises in Titus, the other way around. The mistakes are multiple and overwhelming. Mistakes like this have conseqences for the entire Church, not just a local church, as we will see.

‘The church’ as Moore identified, had asked her to do something for which she was biblically unqualified on several levels. We don’t know who asked her to teach, she only says ‘the church’ asked her. ‘The church’ should know better. In the first place, a wise elder board or pastoral staff should be raising up men and women for these positions. It’s their literal job to keep an eye out for teachable anointed ones and train them up for the edification of the body so that when opportunities come, they are ready to install a trained, if hopefully experienced, man or women. Throwing a young, inexperienced woman into a class where the total job is to handle the Word rightly, is against so many scriptures. (Titus 2:3-4; Hebrews 5:12; Proverbs 1:5, Acts 8:30-31; 1 Peter 5:5-7…).

If Moore was humble, she would have declined. If she was wise, she would have asked for help early on, instead of allowing her “treacherous year” to continue so long to the NON-edification of herself and the other women.

Sadly, the floundering method Moore employed for herself, “thinking up stuff to say and then matching verses to it the night before” as she stated, never stopped. When I attended a Living Proof Live event in 2011, she related to us this exact scenario as to how she arrived at her two-day lessons she’d be delivering at the conference. She was still doing it, years later. Her early mistake became cemented-in.

Even more sadly, this widespread penchant for installing untrained and unready people into leadership positions continues, despite what the Bible says about qualifications of leaders. Rachel Held Evans, Jen Hatmaker, Beth Moore, Joshua Harris, Mark Driscoll, Jennie Allen, all examples taking advantage of the millennium’s global platforms to launch themselves untrained in positions of authority and teaching. With book deals. As conference speakers. With web pages or Instagram accounts intent on ‘building a brand’ and gaining followers rather than training up in the word.

It is a recipe for apostasy. Indeed, those I just mentioned are either gone or in the process of it. In fact, Moore just this week singled out Same-Sex Attraction (SSA) celibacy as a “tremendous sacrifice“. “Let’s not be scandalized by what I’m about to say” she began, saying that SSA people who have dignity have “chosen to fellowship with Him [Christ]” by “choosing celibacy”. And that she has recently read about “my culture” and “gotten to know my culture” and that “it’s not our parents’ world”, and “we need to have good conversations and dialog.” Anyone with a finger on the evangelical pulse knows those are code words for soon claiming homosexual acceptance.

 

It’s the very reason we don’t put untrained, unguided, uneducated, youths into positions of care or teaching. Would you seek a doctor answering to the job description I’d posted above? A lawyer with pedigree of Beth Moore? A motivational speaker with one law class? Of course not. So why do so many churches install the young and untrained? Souls are at stake. The spotless name of Jesus is at stake.

Put into position of leadership early, we were all both horrified and grieved at Josh Harris’s departure-from-the-faith announcement, an utter rejection of Christ and all His holiness and righteousness. At age 23 he ran a Christian magazine. Three years later he was tapped to be a pastoral intern. A couple of years after that, he authored a book that sold a million copies. Phil Johnson recently said that he had been worried about Harris from the beginning, because his first book, on dating, no less, (“I Kissed Dating Goodbye”) was first published when Harris was in his early twenties and not yet a pastoral leader. It wasn’t written from a pastor’s view, but from a layman’s.

Anyway, Harris was off and running. Sadly, at age 44, he repudiated the faith and ran away from it. His goodbye to the faith was both nightmarish and crushing.

See the Josh Harris story here.

I’m not saying that someone young can’t ever be a pastor or a leader. Some can, in certain circumstances. Paul was mentoring young pastor Timothy. (1 Timothy 4:12), after all. The Bible does suggest, though, that it’s often best when candidate elders or teachers have had a time of seasoning before they lead. What I am saying is that unmindful appointment of untrained or unready youngsters can and does do damage to the worldwide faith. Joshua Harris and Beth Moore are prime examples. My plea is for sober-mindedness, adherence to scripture, and a carefulness when installing men and women to various positions. May God always be glorified.

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Beth Moore deleted half her Kindle chapter: Breaking the Social Compact

By Elizabeth Prata

You know that Beth Moore deleted a portion of the material in the Kindle version of the book Praying God’s Word, but that deletion is more extensive than most people know. She got rid of the entire discussion on homosexuality from her chapter Overcoming Sexual Strongholds. It was 6 pages of material. It was half the main discussion of the chapter. She excised from mid page 279 to mid-285.

As a result, the word ‘homosexuality’ does not appear in the Kindle version except twice, once in a quote from a man testifying about his homosexuality recovery and once in a verse. In the hard copy she retains all that material, with the word homosexuality being mentioned 12 times within the 6 pages. I believe her decision to redact the entire discussion about homosexuality is, in effect, a change in stance toward this sexual sin.

That said, I’ve also been thinking of the wider issues surrounding Beth Moore’s decision to delete the biblical discussion of homosexuality from her book. It’s bad enough to be ashamed of God’s doctrine to delete it completely from your book. But this next part compounds the wrong.

She violated the social compact that exists between an author and her readers.

Let me explain further.

There exists a social compact between writers and readers. Did you know? Yes.

We might not be aware there exists a social contract between author and reader, but we know instantly when it’s been broken. A broken contract means trust has been severed, which usually entails feelings of anger, betrayal, or even outrage. Think of the outrage that occurred when it was learned that Mark Driscoll reportedly bought his way onto New York Times bestseller list. The social contract of trust, that true popularity, reflected in sales, had propelled that book up the best-seller ladder was destroyed when it was revealed that filthy lucre had done the deed.

So we might unknowingly operate in the social contract but it certainly becomes known when it’s violated.

Another example of this tacit compact is plagiarism. A well known part of the contract between an author and his or her readers is that the material they publish under their name will be their own creative content. It is understood that the material is not plagiarized from someone else and sold under their name as their own. Doing so violates the implicit trust that the author has with her readers. They are buying the book under the terms of this implicit contract.

“Roots” was a phenomenon in the 1970s. The book was an extreme best-seller, won a Pulitzer Prize, and spawned a miniseries that impacted the nation for years. Yet it turned out that its author Alex Haley had plagiarized some parts from a less well known book called The African, which had been published 9 years earlier. Americans were outraged and heartbroken.

So, we see from the negative examples, that the social compact between writer and reader exists. What is this social compact like, what is it supposed to do?

As we read from this article from The National Council of Teachers of English, The Rights and Responsibilities of Readers and Writers: A Contractual Agreement, by Robert Tierney and Jill LaZansky, we learn

Writers must establish a reader-writer interaction which sets up “a coherent movement” toward a reasonable interpretation of a communication. An author, accountable in one sense to a selected audience of readers and in another sense to a message deemed worthy of their consideration, will do greater justice to that message if the needs of the readers are attended.

As writer EB White said, 

Writers do not merely reflect and interpret life, they inform and shape life….A writer must reflect and interpret his society, his world; he must also provide inspiration and guidance and challenge.

These examples and quotes of the ethical standards in publishing and the implicit social contract that comes with it are from the secular world. Would not a Christian author have even a deeper obligation to her readers, especially if her book sales are aimed at sisters in the faith?

How much more meaningful is the social compact between author and reader when the two are part of the same Body, operating in the spotless name of Christ?

How much MORE so when a Christian writer is given gifts to convey the timeless, majestic and eternal truths to a waiting generation? Wouldn’t one of these writer responsibilities be the safekeeping of truth?

How much MORE so when a writer who is Imago Dei, labors with the understanding that at the very least, she should do no harm to the reader.

But deleting the entire discussion of homosexuality from her Kindle book does harm the reader. How?

Let me state an inconsequential but more relatable example. If you’re familiar with competitive cooking shows, where a chef is tasked to cook a dish and then serves it to judges at the end of the time constraint, at the end of the time, things get hectic. Sometimes the chef-contestants are just throwing the food on the dish by the end.

I remember a few times where a chef presented a dish that had some components on one plate, but were absent those components on the other. One judge looks at his plate, looks at the other judge’s plate, and asks, ‘Why does his plate have potatoes on it and mine doesn’t?’ They yell at the contestant that this is unacceptable. Why? If a paying customer orders a dish described on the menu they expect to be served that exact dish. That’s the contract. It makes things worse if a chef gives one person their expected dish and denies the other person the same food. It isn’t fair and it isn’t right.

How much more so when Beth Moore knowingly decides to deny her Kindle readers their potatoes, while hard copy readers enjoy the full dish? And how much worse it is knowing that we are not really talking about potatoes, but the food of Christ laid from His table?

Beth Moore has spent years developing a relationship with readers. She trades on the comfy and sisterly relationship she has cultivated publicly. One wonders how a conversation with the Christian Publishing House B&H (arm of Lifeway) would go?

B&H, I want to get rid of that section about homosexuality. Delete it before the republished version comes out on Kindle.
Why, Beth?
Because I’m worried about a 13 year old girl
But Beth, what about all your other readers? Don’t you owe them anything, especially the readers who’ll buy the hard copy?
Nah, I owe them zero.

Wayne Grudem spends a great deal of time in his book Christian Ethics: An Introduction to Biblical Moral Reasoning on the definition of and biblical instances of lying. He says that lying is verbally affirming something you believe to be false, and maintains the verbal-only aspect of lying. But there is also something else discussed in that incredible book and that is called deceptive action.

I fail to see any morally relevant difference between intentionally misleading someone with the lips and misleading them with an action. John Frame

Whether one wants to call it a decision to stand by, a sin of omission, misleading, or deceptive action, we consider the fact we are supposed to operate as Image of Christ.

The fact is, no matter how you define it, Moore and her publisher B&H, chose to purposely excise a significant portion of one of the re-published versions and didn’t tell readers, while selling the fuller re-published version to other readers, and to my knowledge, never said a word.

At least, in my hours of searching online and on her blog,  I never saw any announcement of this deletion, nor did I see one in the hard copy or the Kindle version. If such a statement existed in 2009 when the books were re-published, please point me to it. Otherwise, Beth Moore engaged in a deliberate action that broke the social compact and betrayed trust with her readers.

Moore says that she performed the act of removing the half-a-chapter on homosexuality (from one version but not the other) and she stands by her action. 

Now that we understand the issue about the social compact that exists between a writer and her audience, and about truth and honorable Christian publishing decisions, and seeing that this very week Moore is teaching about the writing and publishing process, and seeing that organizers are touting it as holy, and knowing that B&H attests to the motto below clipped from their website, doesn’t it make a difference in how you view their moral character?

Every word matters? Really B&H Christian publishers? Except the 6 pages of words about overcoming homosexuality with God’s help through the Gospel. THOSE words don’t matter. The biblical content you and Moore excised cannot “positively impact the hearts and minds of people”, because you deleted them. And remained silent about it. For ten years.

Lying by omission and lying by commission. Lying by omission is far, far worse than lying by commission because the latter can at least admit refutation and public debate. Suppression of reportage is lying by omission (Gideon Polya)

Beth Moore’s action that she “stands by” is a terrible corruption of the implicit contract she has cultivated as Christian writer with her Christian audience in a situation of trust.

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in humility consider others more important than yourselves. (Philippians 2:3)

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Further Resources

Open Letter to Beth Moore

Beth Moore charges SBC conservatives with ‘sin’, recants 2009 statement on ‘homosexual sin’

James White on the Open Letter to Beth Moore

James White on Beth Moore explaingng but not really why she deleted half her chapter on homosexuality

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Beth Moore has a Lot to Answer for in Normalizing Women Preaching/Teaching to Men, again

By Elizabeth Prata

The holiness of God cannot be plumbed to its heights. We have no real conception of how Holy God is. Only Isaiah and Ezekiel (Old Testament prophets) and Paul and John (New Testament Apostles) really have a notion. They saw heaven or were given a vision of it. When Isaiah saw God on His throne, and understood his own sin in comparison, he said he was “undone” and fell to the ground.

So just as God’s holiness is infinite and unreachable in its limits, so is sin. I think we really have no idea of the extent of sin, its ugliness, and its infinite abyss. Just when you think sin can’t possibly get any worse, it does. It goes lower, gets worse, and continues on through its bottomless depths.

I’ve written several times about Beth Moore’s desire to preach at a pulpit, to men, with authority. See just two examples with links below. Over time, this desire has defaulted into a de facto reality. She tweeted this week in response to a woman boasting that she was preaching 3 Sunday services in a SBC church, Moore in reply said she herself was “doing” the Sunday service on Mother’s Day in Tomball TX, her hometown.

Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4In this way they can train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited. (Titus 2:3-5)

Sadly, Beth Moore’s failure to rebuke and train the young woman but instead applaud her for her decision to preach, and in fact celebrate her own sin, fails the Titus verse completely. Moore is teaching women to usurp, not be self-controlled, pure, and godly women at home, as commanded.

When Dr. Owen Strachan, (pronounced Stran, rhymes with man) Associate Professor of Christian Theology at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Director of the Center for Public Theology, and Senior Fellow of the Council on Biblical Manhood & Womanhood, wrote a biblical and clarifying essay on Moore preachingMoore, who “took a doctrine class,” berated him publicly.

Her tweet contained nothing of a teachable spirit. It was haughty and displayed none of the humility and meekness Jesus demands from His people. Then as she stewed some more, she admitted she was “going off like a bottle rocket,” thus failing the command for teachers to be “self-controlled.” More tweets ensued.

But that is what happens when a person rebels against scripture. They descend further into a depraved mind and then gather others to do the same, then applaud them for it. In fact, the entire situation is one that the Bible warns will happen with ungodly people. Romans 1:28-32,

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Why the Lord is allowing Beth Moore to engage in behavior that stores up wrath for herself is His will alone. But woe to Beth Moore on the day she stands before a holy God and is called to account.

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Please read the following essays I wrote for more information on the devastating results that occur when we buck God’s word, especially when it comes to His Divine Order.

Beth Moore has a Lot to Answer for in Normalizing Women Preaching/Teaching to Men

Beth Moore: A Type of False Prophetess like the Jezebel of Thyatira?

Examples of Beth Moore preaching to and with men. Notice in her tweet she had said she only has preached at “SBC churches, like, 15 times”. But there are also plenty of other churches she has preached in…to men…against the will of God … as set in His word…

Below, Moore getting angrier and angrier at the rebuke she has received. She tweeted the following, which sounds more like a pre-teen arguing with her parents than a 40 year teacher of the Bible who has learned the required conditions of gentleness, humility, and self-control. Also, her Legalism is showing. Godliness is not a ratio of good outweighing the bad.

 

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The King’s Dale: A commendable resource for Beth Moore and Sarah Young critiques and book reviews

By Elizabeth Prata

The popular definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.” For Christians with discernment, insanity is ‘being sure by the Spirit and the Bible, after research and prayer, that so-and-so is false, but literally NO ONE ELSE around you believes it or even entertains the notion for a second.’

After a while you begin to question yourself, or you question why others can’t see it, or you question God with pleading, upraised hands, ‘why, WHY can’t they see?’ All that. The definition of discernment is also often “Agony.”

It was like that for me, anyway, back in 2011-2012 when I started to question Beth Moore’s teaching.

The church I attended at the time was Southern Baptist in denomination, tradition, and church practice. The members were sweet and they loved Jesus and they were faithful. They had a blind spot about Moore, though. Her lessons were continually used in the Ladies Ministry, and I saw Moore’s books were cradled in more than one woman’s arms as we went about our church-activities.

I was graciously brought to a ladies retreat where the DVD of “The Hairbrush Story” was exegeted. I was also invited to a weekend Living Proof Live event. That was my first exposure to Moore, having been a recent convert and a transplant from the North, where women who wore flannel and LL Bean boots looked at women who said ‘honey’ & ‘y’all’ and wore hairbows with a degree of perplexity and wariness.

But I was now in the Land of Dixie, happily, and I threw myself into the new culture which God had led me, Beth Moore lessons and all. If this was church, I was in.

However, after the Living Proof event concluded, having listened closely to Moore’s lesson for three straight sessions, I was more than a little perturbed. When I arrived home I set to comparing her teaching (I was glad that as a journalist I’d taken copious and precise notes at the LPL event, which I still possess) to the Bible. What I was seeing in my Berean eyes didn’t measure up. But then again, I was a new convert and had just begun in church. I also looked online for credible ministries, pastors, or theologians who had also examined her work. I was a newbie after all.

What did I find? NOTHING.

Nowhere could I find any critique of Beth Moore. OK, that’s hyperbole, I found two, thank goodness! Otherwise I truly would have either gone crazy (hyperbole again) or been accused of being crazy (true fact, not hyperbole).

I found The King’s Dale. Dale Wilson ran a blog, which has since gone on hiatus, critiquing Beth Moore’s lessons and some of her books. He also critiqued Sarah Young’s book Jesus Calling. Both of these women all these years later are still in print, still cranking out more, and are still popular nationwide. Finding Mr. Wilson’s critiques saved my sanity. I was completely impressed with his work. They were objective, credible, precise, scriptural, and a relief to read. At the time, (2012-2013) there was precious little calling into question anything about Beth Moore. Reading his work confirmed my suspicions and my own research.

Chris Rosebrough whose blog at the time, Extreme Theology, presented a critique in 2010 titled “Beth Moore’s Dangerous Bible Twisting“. (or here). (Or below). Rosebrough wrote:

I recently reviewed two segments of Beth Moore’s “Bible teaching” on my radio program and I must admit I was bowled over by just how bad and dangerous her teaching really is. I know she’s popular but this woman is NOT rightly handling God’s word. Instead, she is twisting the scriptures to her own destruction and the destruction of her hearers.

I remember listening to him and hearing the surprise in his voice that when he took a look at her teaching he found such dangerous errors.

I commend both men to you, but mainly I wanted to set before you the work of Mr. Dale Wilson, of which you may not be aware. His discernment critiques of Beth Moore were early, good, and remain today as a gold standard. Here is his web page with search results for Beth Moore –

The King’s Dale: Beth Moore Critiques

Here is my compiled List of Beth Moore Critiques all In One Place

Here are my 2011 critiques of Beth Moore, the very first time I was exposed to her, and my reactions. I just took the morning to re-read all these and I’m glad to say that my research and opinions have not changed from 8 years ago when I first wrote it. I’m grateful to the Holy Spirit for discernment, even though it’s a tough go sometimes. I never would have figured out all that on my own, especially so early in my walk. I can’t believe 8 years have gone by since my newbie introduction to just how powerful and popular a false teacher can be within the Body, but also how faithful Jesus is to His own children in opening our eyes to dangers and traps of the deceivers among us.

Beth Moore: Reactions to Living Proof teaching, series:

Reactions Part 1
Reactions Part 2
Reactions Part3a
Reactions Part3b
Reactions part 4

Hearing some of Moore’s teachings at a Living Proof event led me to research further. This series was the result:

Troubled by Beth Moore’s teaching, series:

Beth Moore Part 1: Introduction, and Casualness
Beth Moore Part 2: Undignified Teaching
Beth Moore Part 3: Contemplative Prayer
Beth Moore Part 4: Legalism
Beth Moore Part 5: Personal Revelation
Beth Moore Part 6: Eisegesis, Pop Psychology, and Bad Bible Interpretations 
Beth Moore Part 7: Conclusion

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Forget ‘What color is your parachute?’, Beth Moore wants to know the color of the hands that wrote the books on your shelf

By Elizabeth Prata

Just as our minds can’t conceive of how MUCH Jesus loves His own, we can’t conceive of how deep sin will go. (1 Corinthians 2:9). Just when we think sin can’t get any worse, it does. (Genesis 6:5).

False teaching is a plague on the church. It destroys the sinner. It hinders the Christian’s walk. It makes a blot on Jesus’s name. It should not be ignored.

For many years Beth Moore has been propagating false teaching. It’s always been there. It’s always been that way, if one cared to look.


Any
variation from the true Gospel is devastating. It’s of satan, and we know satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy. (John 10:10). It matters not that the package it comes in seems ‘pretty close’ to true doctrine. So what that an N almost looks like an M. It’s not and it alters the word it’s in completely. Moon isn’t Noon. Mail isn’t Nail.

Remove the second ‘b’ from Bible and you get bile. So, pretty close isn’t good enough.

Beth Moore has been twisting the faith for almost 30 years. She is a type of Jezebel spoken against by Jesus in Revelation 2:20. Her mysticism, direct revelation, Bible twisting, lavish lifestyle and more, has caught many an unwary women into her webs of lies. That is what false teachers do, and she is extremely successful at it. Rather than be stricken by Jesus, He has graciously allowed to gather momentum, influence, and followers for all this time. Only Jesus knows how long He will allow her to continue, and whether her comeuppance will happen before her death as well as after. But for now, it is the duty of those who see the N in the stream of M’s to call attention in clarion shouts that this thing is not like the others.

Though one knows God is sovereign, one can still be alarmed that Moore’s power and influence is only growing as time goes on. Of late, in addition to the usual Bible travesties, Beth Moore’s advancement along the wide road has picked up some additional new litter by the side of the way. The litter is wokeness, relevance, and attention to worldly systems.

Perhaps feeling that there were no new theological worlds left to conquer, or perhaps the Bible world was growing stale for her, or maybe she just needed new friends, Moore has plunged into expounding on new vistas having nothing to do with Jesus. As Kris Williams (@Kdubtru ) said on Twitter this week, unrelated to Beth Moore,

Church history has repeatedly and clearly proven one thing: Once the highest view of Scripture is abandoned by any theologian, group, denomination, or church, the downhill slide in both its theology and practice is inevitable.

If one has tendencies to chronicle and track these things, (as I do) one can see that Moore’s downhill slide into ‘wokeness’ began earlier this year. In March to be exact.

Her non-sleepiness was followed by a sudden venture into political waters that same week, with this tweet,

This political awakening was followed by successive and incessant tweets and blogs taking on social justice, racism, and just rebuking the church wholesale. Perhaps you’ve noticed a distinct absence of Bible verses. There are references to biblical principles, and mentions of the Bible, but very few verses and hardly addresses at all. I’ve asked her about this. No response. Her social media is used quite often to bemoan secular woes now.

In April the MLK50 Conference happened. Moore was asked to be a speaker. Moore suddenly ‘woke’ to racial issues and began promoting them as a substitute for Gospel issues.

Moore’s foray into political ‘relevance’ was followed by the famous “Letter to My Brothers” in May of this year which accused basically every Christian man of not liking Moore and thus were misogynists hating on all women since the beginning of the church.

June saw a surge of interest in putting Moore up for president of the largest Protestant denomination in the world, the Southern Baptist Convention. Along the way discussions about women’s egalitarianism, social justice, and a host of other secular, fleshly issues ensued.

By October of this year the powerhouse secular media had taken note of Moore. Both The Atlantic and the Washington Post published lengthy stories about her. New vistas indeed. The Atlantic talked about how she is “taking on Trump”, and the Post talked about how she is “changing the face of evangelical leadership.”

Moore talks about how she stayed quiet for decades but now must speak up, she must. A cynic would say that she has amassed enough worldly goods and influence to risk stepping into secular arenas to conquer, and this seems to be working for her. Maybe the risk wasn’t so large after all.  In the spirit if the breathless titles on the TV show The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, here are three titles regarding Beth Moore’s latest delinquencies.

Beth Moore Challenges Da Man!
(But Metha Leanne Todd pushes back)

This past May’s “Letter to My Brothers” Moore takes exception, on behalf of all evangelical women whether they have asked her to or not, to the “way we women have been treated” in the visible church. And the way Moore herself has been treated, and according to Moore, it ain’t good. There’s a gulf, a huge gulf fixed, between male leaders and women leaders, and that gulf is filled to the brim with disrespect, maltreatment, and perhaps most mystifying of all, ‘peculiarities accompanying female leadership’. Clearly, this must stop.

Her letter did not go unnoticed. Not by the bigwigs, nor by the little people, like this articulate CNA CareGiver in Texas-

The rebuke went on, the above is just an excerpt. Full post here.

Hypocrisy Moment:

From Moore’s Open Letter to Brothers:

A few years ago I told my friend, Ed Stetzer, that, whenever he hears the news that I’m on my deathbed, he’s to elbow his way through my family members to interview me about what it’s been like to be a female leader in the conservative Evangelical world.

Interesting that a religious teacher who claims to have been a slave to Christ for 30+ years, says that when she’s on her deathbed, her only thought will be talking about herself and her life as a “leader,” and not the coming glories she will experience because of the cross and Christ.

Beth Moore battles misogyny!
(But Kathleen Peck pushes back)

Pushing hard on the ‘women oppressed’ mantra, this month Moore was featured in a lengthy podcast interview: Beth Moore on Misogyny: The blurb goes- “Moore reflects on her journey as a woman in ministry, how she developed an authentic style of teaching that ministers to thousands of women, and her battle against misogyny in the church.”

It is an encouragement to see women like Ms Todd above and Ms Peck below, with courage and insights pushing back against false teachers like Moore.

Yes!

Of Interest-
Wretched Radio’s report on Al Mohler’s take on a woman for President of the SBC (11 minutes)
Friel quote from that episode: “Liberalism always starts with women’s issues. It’s the easiest one to get compromise on.”

Hypocrisy Moment:

It’s interesting that Moore, President of her own Corporation, earning a multi-million dollar income, owner of a three-storey office building in Houston, co-signer of her own family trust, and accumulator of four luxury homes and a boat, who has for decades enjoyed acclaim, leadership, and a wide influence and platform within evangelicalism, a woman who is jetted by private plane by one of the largest Christian Companies in the world, (because she makes us so much money, says one LifeWay worker), now complains about the ‘injustices women in evangelicalism’ have endured.

Beth Moore Battles Racism!
(But Dr. Oakley pushes back)

I’d say more about the insipidness of the ‘shade of hands’ tweet, but Dr Oakley nailed it.

Hypocrisy Moment:

There are 10-members on the Board of Directors at Living Proof. Four of them are Moores; Beth, husband Keith, daughter Melissa and daughter Amanda. They are white. Daughter and Board Member Melissa co-writes and researches Bible studies with her mom, Beth. Is it that perhaps “white hands” and only “white hands” at Living Proof  are theologically shaping the clay?

Conclusion

Moore has been in the business of teaching Bible for many years. Moore says she has had some sort of extreme “existential crisis” for the last 18 months, then came out earlier this year as a social justice, women affirming, race promoting warrior rebuking one and all for her own perception of things wrong with the global church. She has been virtue signalling, something Jesus hated (Matthew  6:1, 2, 5, 7, 16, 23:14). Her interests now are politics and secular causes. Drift from her initial mission is obvious.

Only time will tell where this slide will bring Moore, but it is more imperative than ever to raise the cry that this woman is dangerous and should be avoided

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. (Romans 16:17).

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Beth Moore has a lot to answer for in normalizing women preaching/teaching to men

By Elizabeth Prata

Sometimes the pot warms its water so slowly even the most discerning frog swimming in it doesn’t realize the change in temperature in his environment until it’s too late. Even though this isn’t scientifically true, “the story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually rather than suddenly,” as Wikipedia explains.

It was a given that for more than 2000 years women are not to be teachers or preachers of men. We women can and do teach, we minister, and we evangelize. We discuss, we help, we clarify perhaps in a private setting, but we are not to have biblical authority over men in church expository situations.

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

How is a women preaching to men a sinister situation? It’s sin. As RC Sproul said, sin is cosmic treason!

Ask the metaphorical Jezebel of Revelation 2:20 who was teaching things God did not say. Jesus promised to kill her and her followers. Inserting words into God’s mouth is sin.

Look at the Garden. One certain fruit was eaten against God’s command, and the entire race of humankind was polluted with sin. Ignoring what God said is sin.

What God says to do or not do matters. We don’t need 50,000 verses. One is enough. Women are not allowed to teach the Bible to men.

But Beth Moore does.

She has been doing it for 30 years.

Woe to Beth Moore.

A female generation is about 25 years. Therefore, it’s woe to the generation of women coming up in Christian circles who have for the entire time been seeing Moore’s preaching to men as normal, even with her pastor’s overt blessing, or the tacit blessing of her denomination the Southern Baptist Convention and its arm, Lifeway.

For years Moore taught Bible to a co-ed Sunday School class of 600-700 people as you read in that link above and later up to 900 people as stated in this link:

At that time, God began to do a new thing, stirring the heart of Beth to move to a new meeting place, meeting time, change the name of the class, and allow men to attend.

Is it God stirring the heart of a woman to disobey scripture and to teach men? I think not. In Revelation 2:23 it’s noted that Jesus will strike Jezebel’s children dead. These are not Jezebel’s biological children, but the spiritual daughters she is raising up in her polluted, sinful likeness.

The 1 Timothy scripture seems not to bother Moore. She has not repented of this cosmic treason. She describes her origins as a Bible teacher. Her Sunday School class began in 1985 and she was still teaching it in 2005. Her class almost from the beginning had a mixed audience.

Being a woman called to leadership within and simultaneously beyond those walls [of an SBC church] was complicated to say the least but I worked within the system. After all, I had no personal aspirations to preach nor was it my aim to teach men. If men showed up in my class, I did not throw them out. I taught. ~Beth Moore

It does not matter if you “had personal aspirations to preach” to men or not. If you do, you’re sinning. If you fail to stop it, you’re sinning.

How did this begin? Moore began teaching an aerobics class in Texas in the 80s at her church. It gravitated somehow (don’t ask me how, that’s a leap I can’t figure) to a Bible class in 1985. That soon turned to a co-ed class, then a 600-700 member coed class.

Moore eventually founded Living Proof Ministry in 1994. By 2003 her Living Proof Live conferences had gone beyond the confines of her church and beyond the Texas border. A national magazine took notice. Their opening sentence called her a minister.

“Once a victim of abuse, Beth Moore is one of America’s most popular ministers today.”

The article went on to note that men attended her Sunday School class. It was popular, so crowded with both sexes that attendees were asked to car pool because the parking lot was so jammed.

But the crowded conditions don’t seem to deter them. Not even the men, who came for a while in large numbers, were put off–until the ministry limited them by asking them to sit in the back, and if necessary, give up their seats to women. It is a women’s Bible study, after all. And though men are not restricted from attending, they aren’t encouraged, either. The selectivity has nothing to do with the location. With her pastor’s sanction, Beth teaches a co-ed Sunday school class of 600 to 700 in the same Southern Baptist church each week. But her ministry “really is to women,” she says. “My love is women in the body of Christ.” [emphasis mine]

An obedient teacher says “My love is for Christ and His word, and I asked the pastor to restrict the class to women only.” But as Beth Moore said above, “I didn’t throw them out. I taught.” She sought bigger rooms to accommodate them all.

The ‘aw, shucks, I’m really just a women’s teacher’ won’t cut it when pleading for mercy in front of the throne. Failure to obey the Word is failure to obey. She has been a usurper from the beginning.

And she keeps on teaching.

In 2010 when her fame was rising, Christianity Today did a 6-page cover story on her. The article cites the following:

Before she begins, she addresses the few men in the crowd. A Southern Baptist, Moore emphasizes that her ministry is intended for women. “The gentlemen who had such courage to come into this place tonight, into this estrogen fest if you will ever find one in your entire life: we are so blessed to have you,” Moore says. “I do not desire to have any kind of authority over you.”

It’s laughable to pronounce a blessing on the men in attendance, welcome them, preach the Bible to them, and then meekly deny any authority over them. Is her teaching from the Word authoritative over the women but not the men sitting next to them? Or do the women reject her authority to teach and they’re just coming, say, for the music? You see the illogic. If she teaches authoritatively, she teaches authoritatively to all in the hearing of it.

As far as Moore’s coyness that she does not desire to be authoritative over them, this is false. Genesis 3:16 tells us it is IN us to want to usurp male authority. It doesn’t matter if you desire to break God’s command or not, if you DO, you’re sinning. Try telling the traffic policeman that “I did not desire to speed on the highway” and see if he lets you go.

The Christianity Today story is behind a paywall now. However, the link is here if you want to see the source.

Moore’s occasional weak protest, that men attend her classes and conferences on their own volition so it isn’t really her fault, doesn’t hold water. She taught men in her SS class for 20 years. By 2012, she was personally asked to substitute for pastor Louie Giglio preaching the Sunday Service at Louie Giglio’s Passion City Church, and she accepted. It was Holy Week, and she preached John 19 to a very, VERY large crowd of congregants. Some of these people, men included, lined up two hours early just to hear her.

Brian Dodd was one of those men. He attended Passion City Church that weekend and wrote a recap of her sermon. Gushing about how Moore is “a church leader” and how excited he was that he showed up hours early, he wrote,

Sunday, July 1st [2012] was the hottest day in Atlanta history! 106 degrees! And Beth Moore (yes, that Beth Moore) was preaching at Passion City Church. Passion City Church pastor Louie Giglio is going through the book of John but was going to be in Australia at the Hillsong Conference. He needed a GREAT bible teacher to teach John 19, the crucifixion of Jesus. He called Beth and (pardon the pun) man did she deliver! Expecting an overflow crowd, my family arrived at 2:00 PM to get in line for the 4:00 PM service. … The Passion leadership team did an excellent job using social media to build anticipation and promote Beth’s appearance.

Moore affirmed on her blog that she was asked to preach at Giglio’s church and that she accepted.

we thought about this message that I had the privilege to give at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. My good friend, Louie Giglio, had asked me to speak on John 19 which records the crucifixion of Christ.

 

Above, the Wednesdays With Beth broadcast on LIFE Today TV appears to have more men in the audience than women. Source

Screen grabs from videos like this in 2012 harm women when they see a female on stage preaching from the Bible shoulder to shoulder with men. It’s visual egalitarianism. Photos like this are damaging. L-R, Lecrae, Moore, Chan, Giglio, Piper preaching at Passion Conference in 2012:

She has preached at Hillsong Conference to mixed audiences. Hillsong promoted the event to women AND men. See their blurb below.

Beth Moore is one of the leading Bible-teachers today [2017] and we couldn’t be more excited that she will be bringing a powerful message to the Hillsong Conference Sydney experience. … Her message is for both men and women alike and has inspired countless people around the world, and we are believing it will be an incredible blessing to your life. [emphasis mine]

The 2017 Hillsong Conference had a lineup of male speakers plus Moore, including Lakewood’s associate pastor, John Gray. The only other woman on the lineup was Lauren Daigle, a singer. Hillsong promoted it thus:

The church is ready and waiting for what some of the world’s most renowned preachers are going to say about God, the church at large and God at work in communities right across the globe. … Speakers include Beth Moore, Craig Groeschel, John Gray, Jentezen Franklin and Brian Houston. [emphasis mine. Source]

Is the world waiting for a female preacher to educate us on God, the church at large, and God at work in your community? I think not.

Also in 2017, we read of yet another example of Moore preaching to men. Ministry Magazine published this first person recap of Moore’s sermon at the 28th General Conference of the International Pentecostal Holiness Church. The author is J. Lee Grady, a man.

I was attending a gathering of Pentecostals held at a convention center in Orlando, Florida. When the speaker concluded the sermon, people began to stream to the altar. Many of them—including pastors—lay prostrate on the floor. Many were sobbing uncontrollably. Some people wept and prayed for an hour after the meeting was dismissed.

You may ask, “What’s so remarkable about that?” This meeting, held on July 26, was unique because the speaker was a Southern Baptist—and a woman. Yet her message was so convicting and so saturated in the Holy Spirit that people ran to the stage even though she didn’t even invite people to the altar.

The woman was author and popular women’s speaker Beth Moore, and the occasion was the 28th General Conference of the International Pentecostal Holiness Church. Leaders from the Assemblies of God, the Church of God and Nigeria’s Redeemed Christian Church of God were in attendance, along with thousands of Pentecostals from all over the world.

In addition to Moore’s actual preaching to men, a sin, she sins by failing to separate from other women who preach and call themselves pastors. She encourages women in their preaching to men.

In 2014 she spent time with Preacher Joyce Meyer on Meyer’s set of Enjoying Everyday Life, gushing about how thrilled she was to be with Meyer. Meyer’s early career included her role as associate pastor. Meyer has over 6M followers on Twitter and 11.5M on Facebook.

Moore also partners with and encourages other women who identify as co-pastor. Victoria Osteen calls herself co-pastor of Lakewood Church, preaching along with her husband Joel Osteen. Victoria made a splash in 2014 by preaching that when we worship it’s not for God, it’s for ourselves.

Yet that same year, Moore preached with Osteen at the Unwrap the Bible conference:

She is also friends with and encourages/promotes “co-senior-pastor” Bobbie Houston. Here is Moore at the 2014 Hillsong Colour Conference with Bobbie.

We must separate from false teachers and heretics. Moore does not do that, and by her continued support of these people, and they of her, more confusion is added to the body of believers, particularly younger women. Women are the weaker vessel, (1 Peter 3:7), gullible to false teaching if we are unrepentant (2 Timothy 3:6), and our flesh wants to usurp the husband (Genesis 3:16). It is unwise to partner with heretics and to encourage them. By partnering with them, Moore proves her allegiance.

After decades of teaching men and preaching to men, any declarations otherwise are only lip service.

If a woman publicly preaches to men for decades, is seemingly accepted in this role, and even promoted in it, the cumulative damage to the greater body of women is great. In June 2018, the Washington Post published an incredible article about Moore. The title was,

How Beth Moore is helping to change the face of evangelical leadership

In the article she is called a ‘great preacher’,

She has her audience laughing, tearing up and clapping, much like they would listening to any great preacher.

The article’s author notes that the Southern Baptist Convention doesn’t allow female preachers, and then went on for a paragraph describing how Moore gets around it by using tweets, books, and speaking engagements as her pulpit. The article also describes how Moore is the face of global evangelism and is personally the transition linchpin for this new future:

Moore is one of the evangelical leaders today who represent the future of the global church, in which people outside Europe and the United States will be dominant. … Moore represents this transition, which is shaping even the most conservative corners of evangelicalism.

There is the danger. After so many decades of preaching and teaching, Moore has warmed the pot and the girl froglets see women preaching to men from pulpits, in churches, at conferences, or other settings, as normal. Desirable. Meanwhile, despite the Bible’s instruction to women to be gentle, meek, quiet, and industrious, tending to their homes and children, Moore has become culturally confrontational. Political. As the lengthy article about Moore last month in The Atlantic reveals,

“Privately, however, Moore has never cared much for the delicate norms of Christian femininity.”

We know. If she did, she would not preach to men. The pot is boiling now. Is this what we want for our young women? Women who are confrontational, rebellious, vocal, political, taking on the culture, preaching to men, partnering with other rebellious preacher women and ignoring her home duties?

Though she often performs domestic femininity for her audience, in her own life she has balanced motherhood with demanding professional ambitions. She traveled every other weekend while her two daughters were growing up—they told me they ate a lot of takeout. Source The Atlantic

Performs’ domestic femininity? Pretends. AKA, lip service. (Isaiah 29:13).

Writers like J. Lee Grady would love to see more women preach like Moore does. He writes in Ministry Today Magazine that it’s finally about time that women take the reins in the pulpit.

What is baffling about this whole experience is that there are large numbers of Christians today who don’t believe Beth Moore should be preaching to [mixed gender] audiences like the one in Orlando. In fact, some fundamentalists have launched attacks on her because she preaches authoritatively from pulpits.

We need an army of women like Beth Moore, and my prayer is that more women will seek the Lord and dig into His Word with the same passion that Moore has. I believe she is a forerunner for a new generation of both men and women who will carry a holy Pentecostal fire that cannot be restricted by gender.

The Washington Post predicts that, as well. Grady’s desire may yet come true. There was talk this summer of Moore being nominated for president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Her virtue signalling tweets, politically charged ‘Open Letters‘ on social media and timely hopping onto cultural topics such as social justice are akin to a Senator’s moves before a presidential run.

Imagine, within one generation a woman whose former claim to fame was the latest aerobics moves climbed steadily up to being seriously considered for president of the world’s largest denomination, a conservative one, at that. One generation, after 2000 years of holding fast to scripture on this issue. Sin is amazing in its power.

I began this essay chronicling Moore’s journey to normalizing women’s usurpation of men from the pulpit by saying ‘It was a given that for more than 2000 years women are not given to be teachers or preachers of men.’ It was. It WAS. Past tense.

Yet the LORD our God is still on His throne and He still maintains a hard line on the roles women and men are to operate within in His church. That is a given.

For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. (1Corinthians 14: 33-35).

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Beth Moore anoints Kevin Jones as third Adam

When someone is a false teacher, their perfidy can show almost immediately, as it did with Charles Templeton. Or it can be hidden for a number of years and emerge slowly and minimally, as has happened to Beth Moore.

A writer at The King’s Dale was an early discerner of Moore, at least publicly online. In 2013 he had discerned her danger and wrote about her teaching. Dale said,

The 5 major types of her false teaching to be reviewed are:

Personal non-Biblical revelation
False gospel of pragmatism, self-improvement and prosperity
Legalism
Glorification of humanity
Roman Catholicism as a Christian denomination

Moore’s false doctrines primarily result from her mishandling of the Bible. She repeatedly demonstrates the following errors in her books and videos:
Eisegesis
Proof texting
Improper allegorical interpretation
Poor knowledge of the canon of Scripture and methods of translation

The above issues with Moore’s teaching remain the same, if not worse, and other concerns have been added to them by this date. Chris Rosebrough of Pirate Christian Radio chimed in soon after The King’s Dale did and went line by line through one of her teachings, biblically showing where Moore errs. He has doen so several times since.

I’ve been tracking her since 2011. In the last 7 years Moore’s slide has become apparent. Her eisegesis, false notions, and cultural embeddedness have grown worse.

Remember, if you are a Christian, your trajectory will always go higher. The indwelling Holy Spirit will always grow you. If you are a pagan, your trajectory will always grow worse. Always. Romans 1:21-32 shows this. In addition, 2 Timothy 3:13 says,

while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

Some people find it hard to accept the words “evil” when applied to Beth Moore. After all, she is bright, engaging, happy seeming, effective, and passionate. However, that is the evil genius of satan. If he had come to Eve as a red jumpsuited, pitchfork wielding demon, would she had listened? He came as himself, the most beautiful of angels, glory light shining softly with helpful words.

So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:15).

Yesterday Moore tweeted the following:

Of course this foolish act sparks a concern for Moore, Jones, and the thousands of women participating in the lesson in which Jones knelt. She is leading many astray. It’s a concern because it demonstrates how far gone Moore is into Social Justice, one aspect of which is seeking redress from people who have not hurt you personally but are lumped into some group defined by age, gender, and such. Her tweet and Jones’s action also perpetuates the false victim mentality.

Have you been hurt? I’ve been hurt. Hurt is not defined in Moore’s tweet(s). The word ‘sinned against’ isn’t even used, just ‘hurt.’ This kind of  language could include imagined hurts, past hurts, minimal hurts, or micro-aggressions (a new term that could describe something as slight as an imagined snub). A far cry from being disemboweled and burned at the stake, as many true martyrs were.

John Macarthur, preaching about the false fad of ‘Social Justice said of its victim mentality,

One word sort of sums it up and that is the word “victim.” Each of these segments of our population who are crying out for social justice believed that they have been victimized by others in this society. This word, more than any other word, describes their self-designed condition. The self-perceived victims of social discrimination today are women who believe that they have been long abused by men, not only personally, but sort of collectively. …

MacArthur acknowledges that many millions of people are victims. No one would dispute that. Not him, not me, not anyone. He said,

The world is full of victims – victims of war, victims of genocide, victims of crime, victims of terror. The world is merciless for all of us on many levels. … Let me make it clear. In God’s eyes – listen – no one is a victim. We are all perpetrators of open rebellion, scandalous, blasphemous sin against God. We are all rebels, we are all obstinate, we are all stubborn.

A problem is that “lately this victim status has been embraced by the evangelical church,” MacArthur said, and continued,

Let me make it clear. In God’s eyes – listen – no one is a victim. We are all perpetrators of open rebellion, scandalous, blasphemous sin against God. We are all rebels, we are all obstinate, we are all stubborn.

A worse issue than a flase teacher leading many astray is the stated representational facet of this act. Moore tweeted:

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Adam was representative of the entire human race. At birth, we are all in Adam. Jesus substituted Himself as the sacrifice and took the punishment we deserve as in-Adam people. Jesus’s work as the second Adam is finished.

Therefore, there can be no third Adam. No one man can rorgive the “hurts” of all other men or women living and dead. It is ridiculous to even propose it. What Moore is promoting is corporate forgiveness by a sole representative.

Here is Owen Strachan at Midwestern Seminary with thoughts on corporate representation:

In the Old Testament, then, contrition took public form. The high priest confessed not only his sins, but the sins of all Israel. In the New Testament, a change takes place. God still has a people for himself, but he forms this covenant community not through a discrete nation, but an ingathering of Jew and Gentile alike (Romans 9-11). The gospel of grace in Christ crucified and resurrected entails not that God will create a second people for himself—composed of non-Israelites—but rather that the Abrahamic promises find their fulfillment in the Messiah. As the gospel is loosed, people from every tribe and tongue become citizens of the spiritual kingdom of Christ (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28; Hebrews 12:18-29). This is the true people of God; this is what the old covenant nation pointed to as the realization of the Abrahamic covenant.

What we call the “theocratic” dimension of the Old Testament has therefore ceased. By this I mean that you cannot look at any one nation on the earth today and identify it as the household of God. The household of God is not a building or a political entity at all; it is the blood-bought church of Christ, the church made up of redeemed sinners (1 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:21). There is no longer a ritual overseen by a high priest in which one imperfect human person confesses the sins of any “national” people of God. Every Christian confesses sin to one another, and Christ the high priest intercedes for us at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19; James 5:16; Hebrews 7:25). This is the pattern of our confession. We have a perfect high priest who prays for us continually, and out of the overflow of this intercession we confess sin to one another.

But we also note what is not found in Ephesians 2 or Colossians 2 (or in Acts 10 as the Gentiles are fully welcomed by Peter). There is no teaching in the text that calls Jews to apologize to Gentiles in representational ways for past sins on the part of all Jews, and neither are Gentiles called to somehow make restitution for corporate wrongs on the part of all Gentiles. The “corporate apology” (used in a group sense, not a business sense) becoming common in our day is foreign to the New Testament

Justin Orman (@Jborman9) said on Twitter of Moore’s drummer and that sad scene,

It is remarkably easy to apologize for something you’ve never done to someone you’ve never wronged. Requires no humility, there’s nothing beneficial resulting from it, & it has no basis in Scripture. The whole point, as far as I can see, is to look holy, which is anti-Scripture.

As Dan Borvan said on Twitter,

In the sixteenth century, Beth Moore would have been condemned as a heretic.

Ladies, please avoid Beth Moore. As her paganhood descends further and further into depraved rebellion, she is taking many with her. (2 Peter 2:2).

 

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All Beth Moore critiques here in one place (Newest)

This blog essay is a repository for links to all Beth Moore critiques I have written over the years; and it is a listing of all external Beth Moore critiques I could find that are grace-filled and credible. I think it’s helpful to have them all in one place.

Just below, a list of links of critiques women wrote about Moore, and below that, a list of men who have critiqued Moore. At the very bottom is a list of most blogs I have written about Moore. Moore is bad for your heart, bad for your mind, and bad for your faith. The Bible advises us to “avoid such people”.

Critiques by Various Women

2020: Testimony from an ex-Beth Moore follower: Lessons about Jesus, but not Jesus Himself

2020: Teri McCarthy:  What’s My Beef with Beth?

2019: Michelle Lesley: Open Letter to Beth Moore Timeline of Events

2019: Michelle Lesley: The Mother of All Rebellions- Having a Woman Preach on Mother’s Day

2018: DebbieLynne Kespert: Beth Moore Heard God Speak — Dare We Question Her? 

2018: DebbieLynne Kespert: What’s My Problem with Beth Moore, Anyway?

2018: Michelle Lesley “Response to Moore’s Letter to Christian Brothers

How is anyone supposed to agree with or refute the facts of what Beth is saying unless she gives clear explanations and details? What Beth has done in her blog post is to throw out unsubstantiated, generalized accusations against a wide swath of nameless Christian men and churches and she expects us to take her word for it that there’s some epidemic of misogyny across the board in the church.

2017: Amy Spreeman and Michelle Lesley: Beth Moore’s labyrinth descent into falsehood

Sharon Lareau of Chapter 3 Ministries, Evaluating Beth Moore’s Upcoming Live Simulcast, (How to pay attention to the red flags the Spirit raises in us, a good discernment lesson in prep for evaluating Moore’s simulcast)

Sharon Lareau of Chapter 3 Ministries, Class on Discernment: Living Proof Live Simulcast,

Sharon Lareau of Chapter 3 Ministries, 2015 Living Proof Live Simulcast Review Part One

Erin Benziger (Do Not Be Surprised)  Beth Moore Prophesies a Coming ‘Outpouring,’ Warns of ‘Scoffers’

Erin Benziger (Do Not Be Surprised) “Why Beth Moore and Not Me? The Danger of Claiming to Receive Direct Revelation

1. Sharon Lareau of Chapter 3 Ministries, Beth Moore Simulcast Review Part One: General Observations,

2. Sharon Lareau of Chapter 3 Ministries, Beth Moore Simulcast Review Part Two: Bible Interpretation Issues,

3. Sharon Lareau of Chapter 3 Ministries, Beth Moore Simulcast Review Part Three: Personal Revelation 

Pam Terrell: Breaking Up With Beth Moore

Book Review by Discerning Reader: Get out of That Pit (the reviewer does not recommend the book)

Sunny Shell: What Do Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore and Sarah Young Have In Common?

Adriane Heins, she is a Lutheran I believe. In this essay she also mentions Joyce Meyer. I appreciated this a lot: “Beth and Joyce want you to feel your theology; Christ assures you of it.” (Cached version)
Friends Don’t let Friends Read Beth Moore

The Upward Call’s Critique of Beth Moore’s “The Patriarchs”

Beth Moore: “Biblicism, Spiritual Warfare, Mysticism and Pop Psychology”

Book Review of Believing God by Beth Moore

Or here, same review: Believing God by Beth Moore

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Further reading, Critiques By Men:

2020: What kind of SBC will we be? Why we need to care about Beth Moore preaching.

If you are tired of talking about issues related to Beth Moore, that means you are a sane and rational person. I know it’s exhausting, but we need to care about Beth Moore preaching, and here is why.

 

2019: Beth Moore, John MacArthur, and Clobbering Girls in Football

I’m not even addressing the content of Mrs. Moore’s preaching. I am merely speaking of the fact that she openly and defiantly claims to preach. This is shameful.

2019: Pastor Jeff Noblit of Grace Life Church of the Shoals, Statement Concerning Leaving the SBC (Big reason: Beth Moore. Also, Critical Race Theory). Statement Concerning Leaving the SBC from Grace Life Church on Vimeo.

2019: video: Beth Moore – False Teacher? (7-min)

2019: Voice of Reason Radio (Chris Hohnholz, Rich Story)  The Fundamental Problem with Beth Moore

2019: James White reporting on the Open Letter to Beth Moore

2019: James White reporting on Moore’s response to the controversy she redacted significant amounts of material related to homosexuality from her book

2019: Justin Peters’ response to Beth Moore’s redaction of the homosexuality material in her book and her blog post about it

2019: Dr Owen Strachan: Divine Order in a Chaotic Age: On Women Preaching

2019: Pastor Gabe Hughes: Beth Moore Goes Off Like a Bottle Rocket

2019: Pastor Gabe Hughes 90-second video: What’s the Problem with Beth Moore?

2018: Justin Bullington: Why We Still Warn About Beth Moore

2017: Pastor Tedd Mathis: Why We Chose Not To Allow Beth Moore To Teach In Our Church

2017: Pastor Gabe Hughes- Breaking Down Beth Moore’s Comment at Passion 2017

2017: Justin Peters comments on a very bad tweet Moore published that was full or error and just plain strange I call “The Noah Instinct“. It caused a minor uproar, so Moore simply deleted it. But screen shots abound.

2017: Delivered By Grace (Josh Buice), Why Your Pastor should say “No More to Beth Moore”

2017: 3354. This Week in Pop-American Christianity: Beth Moore’s Teaching on Baptism – Pr. Chris Rosebrough, 12/1/17
Pastor Chris Rosebrough is interviewed and goes line by line through Moore’s recent teaching on Baptism and shows why it’s bad. Podcast.

A question asked at the Strange Fire conference:

How do I respond to people who refuse to admit that those who supposedly receive divine revelation are dangerous even though they don’t teach outright heresy?

Can you talk about the dangers of popular teachers who are not heretical but say that God talks to them? I am thinking specifically of Beth Moore. What are we to do with people who refuse to see the danger and insist such teachers are OK?

Believers must always listen carefully when any teacher or preacher speaks about the Bible and theology. They must share the nobility of the Berean saints whom Luke commended for double checking Paul’s teaching according to Scripture (cf. Acts 17:1–11). While Beth Moore teaches with accuracy on some points, she also holds positions and teaches doctrines that are both incorrect and dangerous.

Beth Moore promotes contemplative prayer, a mystical practice not found in Scripture which includes elements of eastern mysticism. She chooses not to draw firm doctrinal lines on her website while implying the Roman Catholic Church is a Christian denomination alongside the Methodist, Baptist, and other denominations. Beth also claims that she has received visions from God and sometimes receives revelation from Him in her heart. From these examples we must conclude that the lack of biblical and theological depth in Beth Moore’s teaching renders her a dubious and dangerous source of Bible teaching.

From Rev. Matt Slick, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry: A critique of Beth Moore’s teaching here.

Rev. Chris Hull: Lutheran pastor on Beth Moore: “She’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing trying to destroy my flock” (podcast)

Beth Moore’s followers don’t understand the Gospel, by Jeff Maples

From a man named Dale Wilson at the blog The King’s Dale: Beth Moore – False Teacher

Pastor Mike Abendroth, 90-second video: Where is Beth Moore’s Husband?
Pastor Mike Abendroth, sermon clip: Beth Moore-a or Sola Scriptura?
Pastor Mike Abendroth 22 minute radio show, answering emails about Beth Moore

Justin Peters: Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word Faith Movement (not solely devoted to critiquing Moore but she is part of the overall sermon lesson)

Chris Rosebrough: 90-min., Line-by-line audio critique of Moore’s handling of a lesson on Hebrews 10:35-36, Beth Moore’s Dangerous Bible Twisting (Uses Flash)

I do not agree with a lot of what Mr Wade Burleson has to say. But I include this link because by his own admission he is a fan of Moore and considers her an asset to the Body of Christ, and even he is scratching his head at how Moore treated James 4:10-11 in the study Mercy Triumphs. I especially appreciated his critique of Moore’s penchant for making promises about God’s intentions, as if she knows at any given moment what God will do in this or that situation, something I mentioned in the Commissioning essay above.
“God Will Kick Your Tail” – A Critique of Beth Moore’s Teaching on James 4:10-11 from Mercy Triumphs

Beth Moore Confronts Pastors Wife for Criticizing her Direct Revelation

Beth Moore: Biblicism, Spiritual Warfare, Mysticism and Pop Psychology

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Critiques by Elizabeth Prata, writer of this blog:

2020: You say potato, I say potato: Feminism and the Younger Teaching the Elder

2020: Beth Moore, Direct Revelation, Being led by the Spirit
“Moore teaches women to go internally and rely on mystical warnings, feelings, and prompts. What Moore is actually teaching is the insufficiency of scripture and the sufficiency of ourselves to obey personal feelings.”

2019: Examining Moore’s ethics in Christian publishing

2019: Open Letter to Beth Moore

2018: Beth Moore Has a Lot to Answer for in Normalizing Preaching/Teaching to Men

Joyce Meyer’s “I am not a sinner” aside, the more subtle a false teacher, the less likely it will be that one can find just one ‘smoking gun’ to point to in proving falsity. Therefore, this link is as close as it gets to just one smoking gun:
2013: Examining Beth Moore’s statement: the ‘Bride is paralyzed by unbelief 

2017: Lifestyles of the mega-rich pastors with estates and private jets: You’ll be shocked to see who is among them (OK it’s Beth Moore)

2017: Was this devoted Catholic man swept to heaven upon his death as the obituary states?

2017: Spot the self-refutation, Moore & Mysticism

2017: Beth Moore calling down fire

2016: Deconstructing Moore’s most popular story

2015: Beth Moore’s Strangely Disappearing Tweet: A Discernment Lesson

I wrote this series in 2011 after having attended a two day Living Proof Conference.
Beth Moore: Reactions to Living Proof teaching
Reactions Part 1
Reactions Part 2
Reactions Part3a
Reaction Part3b
Reactions Part 4

Investigating Moore’s teachings led me to research further. This series was the result:
Troubled by Beth Moore’s teaching:

Beth Moore Part 1: Introduction, and Casualness
Beth Moore Part 2: Undignified Teaching
Beth Moore Part 3: Contemplative Prayer
Beth Moore Part 4: Legalism
Beth Moore Part 5: Personal Revelation
Beth Moore Part 6: Eisegesis, Pop Psychology, and Bad Bible Interpretations
Beth Moore Part 7: Conclusion

When I read that Beth Moore said she had received the book directly from God as if a force had taken control of her, it reminded me of previous research I’d done years ago into automatic writing. This series was the result.

Examples of Channeling Christians, like Beth Moore
Part 1: Introduction
Part 2: How Walsch, Young, and Moore channeled their books
Part 3: How Walsch, Young, & Moore channeled their books
Conclusion: Why Walsch, Young and Moore channeled their books

Beth Moore’s role as a feminist and redefining biblical womanhood for the next generations (Rev 2:20 again)

Secret Christian feminists
How the Christian secret feminists are reforming the definition of biblical womanhood. Part 1 
How the Christian secret feminists are reforming the definition of biblical womanhood. Part 2
How the Christian secret feminists are reforming the definition of biblical womanhood. Part 3

Beth Moore led a “commissioning” for 11,000 women (and men) at Unwrap the Bible conference

Beth Moore defenders said I was being too picky in making charges against the way Moore teaches, casual speaking of God being one of them. But here is an essay showing that such casual speech is actually a breaking of the Third Commandment not to take His name in vain.
The Third Commandment: ways to take God’s name in vain you might not have thought of

Taking Beth Moore to task for claiming to have been with Jesus in another dimension and taught new things
Beth Moore says God lifted her into another dimension & showed her the church through Jesus’ eyes

A discernment lesson on how Mrs Moore twists scripture and comparing her exposition to credible teachers’ work
Discernment lesson: The Shack and Beth Moore’s treatment of Paul. Part 2

Really, if Revelation 2:20 doesn’t speak of Beth Moore’s type of prophesying, then I dunno what does.
Beth Moore: a type of false prophetess of the church at Thyatira? 

Examining how Luke 6 and the curse of popularity is one huge indicator of a false teacher
Discernment lesson: the curse of popularity, Beth Moore, and Billy Graham

Book Review: “Things Pondered,” Beth Moore’s story of adopting a boy and giving him back

Beth Moore’s Heretic Hunting Article and its Fallout

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Of Interest:
Grace To You sermon series:
How to Talk to a Heretic

Biblical stance on why Beth Moore has always been false (or any false teacher) and it didn’t just come on suddenly

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Beth Moore calling down fire

fire fall down

This article from Charisma Magazine, published August 2, 2017, was something of an amazement to me. I should not be amazed, but I am. And not in a good way.

Here is an excerpt from J. Lee Grady’s article titled How Beth Moore is Calling Down Pentecostal Fire:

I’ve been in countless Christian meetings over the years, but last week, I witnessed one of the most remarkable spiritual moments of my lifetime.

I was attending a gathering of Pentecostals held at a convention center in Orlando, Florida. When the speaker concluded the sermon, people began to stream to the altar. Many of them—including pastors—lay prostrate on the floor. Many were sobbing uncontrollably. Some people wept and prayed for an hour after the meeting was dismissed.

You may ask, “What’s so remarkable about that?” This meeting, held on July 26, was unique because the speaker was a Southern Baptist—and a woman. Yet her message was so convicting and so saturated in the Holy Spirit that people ran to the stage even though she didn’t even invite people to the altar.

The woman was author and popular women’s speaker Beth Moore, and the occasion was the 28th General Conference of the International Pentecostal Holiness Church. Leaders from the Assemblies of God, the Church of God and Nigeria’s Redeemed Christian Church of God were in attendance, along with thousands of Pentecostals from all over the world.

Moore based her message on Jeremiah 12:5: “If you have run with the footmen, and they have wearied you, then how can you contend with horses?” Without a tinge of self-righteousness or condemnation, Moore lamented the powerless state of the modern church and called us back to the raw authenticity of New Testament faith.

“We are settling for woefully less than what Jesus promised us,” said Moore. “I read my New Testament over and over. I’m not seeing what He promised. I’m unsettled and unsatisfied.”

She added: “I want holy fire!”

I don’t know what is more fascinating—that a Baptist challenged Pentecostals to embrace Pentecostal fire or that a woman who is not supposed to preach to men in her own denomination brought male pastors to their knees in repentance.

I don’t know what is more fascinating, the complete rebelliousness of Moore’s preaching, the dangerous and ignorant plea for God to send down fire, or the flat declaration by Moore that she is unsatisfied and unsettled with a lack of fulfillment in God’s promises.

Let’s look at the Charismatic penchant for wanting fire. We hear about that a lot- teachers, preachers, and lay-people, begging for fire.

In this GotQuestions article we readof the reality of fire from heaven. How many times has God sent fire from heaven? The Bible records six times when He sent fire from heaven.

1. God allowed satan to send fire from heaven to destroy Job’s flocks.
2. God sent fire in the form of burning sulfur to Sodom & Gomorrah
3.  God also used fire from heaven to judge the soldiers sent by the wicked king Ahaziah to arrest Elijah
4. & 5. Twice, fire descended from heaven to consume a group of fifty soldiers sent on the king’s business (2 Kings 1:10, 12).
6.  God sent fire from above in order to consume a sacrifice

Fire from heaven is predicted for the future as well. In the end-time Tribulation, the false prophet will cause fire to come down from heaven as a counterfeit miracle designed to deceive people into worshiping the Antichrist (Revelation 13:13).

And, at the end of the millennium, God will instantly destroy the armies of Gog and Magog with fire from heaven (Revelation 20:9).

So, do we really want fire to fall down from heaven? Really? Why do these false teachers constantly ask for fire from heaven? Do they think it makes them look pious? It only reveals their biblical ignorance.

They know not what they ask. Their ends will be as they deserve. They twist the Bible they deceive the people, they scratch itching ears, and they heap up followers. Sadly, instead of glory and peace, they will receive fire. They will get the fire they asked for.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. … Then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.
(2 Peter 2:1-3; 9-10).

say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’ 3 Thus says the Lord God, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! (Ezekiel 13:2b-3).

And you, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people, who prophesy out of their own hearts. (Ezekiel 13:17).

Lord, haste the day when lying diviners and deceitful prophetesses will be no more.