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The Continual Trumpet Blast from the Monstrous Regiment of Beth Moore Battle-axes

By Elizabeth Prata

In 1558, Scottish Reformer and minister John Knox wrote a treatise called “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women“. In it, Knox proffered the argument that it was unnatural for women to rule and it was contrary to the Bible.

The archaic word monstruous meant “unnatural” and is often written “monstrous” today, meaning hideous or frightful. Regiment meant rule or government.

In 2011, then-member of Team Pyro Phil Johnson, at his team blog Pyromaniacs, riffed off Knox’s title, posting a blog named, “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Discernment Divas“. He wrote,

The following video (40+ minutes) is from the recent Psalm 119 Conference in Keller, TX, sponsored by “Wretched,” featuring Todd (“Freakishly Tall”) Friel. Todd dragged me on stage to discuss the Elephant Room and other issues related to wall-building, biblical discernment, bad discernment ministries, shrill-and-sharp-tongued women who fancy themselves called to ministries of full-time criticism—and a few other interesting topics.”

Sadly, that video is no longer available, but the lengthy comment section is interesting.

Johnson apparently spoke spontaneously at that conference about the influx of women claiming the gift of discernment but not employing it in charitable – or even biblical – ways. He said, and I excerpt some of the comments,

In short, I was referring to those very vocal (mostly, but not all female) self-styled “discernment” specialists who seem to think screeching, angry emotions are as good a response to heresy as carefully reasoned, biblical answers.

The pejorative that was floating in my mind during that conversation with Todd is actually a biblical term: busybodies.

[They] relentlessly pestered me with everything from silly taunts and insults to the crassest sort of slander.

[Their] watchblog-style criticism consisting of raw passion or verbal hysterics instead of rational or biblical arguments…are especially prone to fire off rabid posts and caustic comments without sufficient forethought.

Furthermore, these Discernment Divas tend to be incorrigible when you try to point out that this is not a good thing. In fact, they seem to like to drum up campaigns and comment-flurries and virtual tar-and-feather mobs when anyone questions their technique.

Mr Johnson has a way with words. And he got his point across. That discussion, both at the conference and afterward on his blog, made waves.

Eleven years ago was only a few years after the Year of the Blog, 2003. That was when Google bought Blogger’s platform and made it available to the whole world. WordPress launched that year too.

Anyone and everyone suddenly had a blog and could publish anything they wanted, for better or for worse.

In the Christian realms, people found blogging a wonderful way to propagate Christian principles, theology, practical Christian living ideas, and more. Just being able to publish scripture alone, was a revelation. Yay!

But with great visibility, great foolishness is often revealed.

One who withholds his words has knowledge, And one who has a cool spirit is a person of understanding, says (Proverbs 17:27).

Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent. (Proverbs 17:28).

Fools are fools for a reason. They do not know when to remain silent. When blogs became a thing, there was also a sudden birth of discernment bloggers. People, women included, who misjudged their supposed ‘gift of discernment’ and used their “gift” as an excuse to tear down, destroy, slander, and simply be cruel. They do not display the gifts of the Spirit nor do these people exemplify the virtues of a Godly woman.


This week, G3 Ministries leader and Pastor of Prays Mill Church Josh Buice had an interaction with Beth Moore of Living Proof Ministries. It did not go well. Moore had said in a previous tweet that she was pleased with her vines producing grapes, and “If Jesus is trying to get me to have a crush on him, it’s working.” Hers was a blasphemous statement, and Buice chided Moore for it. THAT is why the interaction devolved immediately. Moore did not take the chiding to heart (shocker). Her followers, for which this essay is titled, dove immediately into mob mentality with screeching that could be heard from pillar to post.


Those were the PG rated responses. Of the defenses I’ve seen this past few weeks, particularly surrounding Beth Moore but also others, I stand amazed at how yet again the Bible is real. I see the verse from Genesis 6:5 brought to life before my very eyes-

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

I am truly amazed that people who profess Christ would be so free to slander and condescend and make tirades and say such awful things. But of course, most of them only profess, but do not possess the Spirit, and sinners are indeed ugly and sin is indeed rampant.

Instead of being shrieking feminist harridans, instead of unteachable snarks & uncorrectable mockers, instead of slanderers and harpies, women in God’s economy can and should be so much more. We have the Holy Spirit! With His help, we can be what God has called us to be: gracious, modest, wise, hospitable, kind, discreet, humble, respectful…

In one sense, as ugly as it is to read such comments, and as harsh as they are against their intended recipients, these women help me to see the contrast between worldliness and godliness. Not that I need such illustrations to obey God, but their behavior motivates me- in the other direction. Seeing such ugliness on display illustrates the ugliness of sin and the importance of kind speech, the beauty of submission, the elegance of humility.

Virtues that God wants us to cultivate ARE beautiful. They ARE for the common good. I don’t need to test God in this, but trust Him in this.

There is no in between. We can be a crone, or a queen.

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Beth Moore Instagram Prayer Tutorial critique

By Elizabeth Prata

I heard about Beth Moore’s proposal to offer a video tutorial on prayer. What a coincidence, I thought, I’m taking a class on prayer right now. I wonder what she will be teaching, I asked myself. Would it be worth it to compare the two approaches, The Master’s Seminary’s class I’m in, and Beth Moore’s? Yes, I decided. So that is what this is.

There will be two parts. This first one will explain why I’m doing this, and I’ll look at the pros and cons of Moore’s tutorial.

Part 2 will be summaries of what I have been learning at TMS/ICL from Dr. Brad Klassen, who is leading it. Part 2 is here.

Beth Moore is an Anglican Lay Eucharistic Minister who left the Southern Baptist Convention earlier this year and forsook being a lifetime Baptist. She has been speaking and teaching for about 40 years, and has been publishing books and studies for 30. Her ministry is called Living Proof. She has a wide reach and is incredibly influential.

She is also a false teacher. This has been substantiated numerous times by me, other women, and pastors/theologians, so I won’t go into lengths here. The highlights, or lowlights, of her ministry includes mysticism, rebellion against scripture, denial of the sufficiency of scripture, poor hermeneutic, eisegesis, and pop psychology.

My ministry is to women and it grieves me to see so many women led astray by the Living Proof ministry and Beth Moore’s faulty approach to the Christian life.

Why I do this

1. The Lord gave me a gift of discernment. (1 Corinthians 12:10). We are to use our gifts to edify the body. (1 Corinthians 14:12).

2. There were 3,150 women listening within the first 5 minutes. Three hours later, the number jumped to 21,800. By early morning, 54,300 people had tuned in to either the live video or the posted video afterwards. Just during the time I’m writing this, 20,000 more watched. It’s up to 75,000 views now.

Women were tuning in from Japan, Europe, the UK. Moms were listening with their daughters, wives with their husbands. One said she planned to start a mom’s prayer group. Beth Moore’s reach of false doctrine into the lives of the undiscerning and the unwary is large, global, and permeating. I do what I can within my sphere and use my gifts to combat Moore’s false doctrine and poor biblical example to those with ears to hear.

[I]n Romans 16:17, he warned, “Watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.” Avoid, Rebuke, Call Out: To avoid them, you have to know who they are. You can’t avoid somebody if you don’t know who they are. This idea of identifying and avoiding shows up in 1 Corinthians 5:11; 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14; 2 Timothy 3:5; 2 John 10.” ~John Piper

Should we call out false teachers or ignore them?

Prayer Tutorial: Pros

“It is a well-known fact that all heresy begins with a partial truth.”

Geerhardus Vos, 1902, “The Scriptural Doctrine of the Love of God,” The Presbyterian and Reformed Review 13 (1902): 1-37.

When I write critiques of Beth Moore I invariably receive comments that say she preaches truth. Yes, there is some truth to what she teaches. There were some truths she taught in this lesson. Yet false doctrine doesn’t knock on your door with a tee shirt that says “Heresy here.” It’s subtle, destructive, and spreads like gangrene. It must be addressed.

Moore had some positives in her 45-minute lesson. These are things I agree with and are biblical.

–She emphasized the importance of prayer.
–She noted the need to have an intercessory life.
–She said she starts her prayer with confession of sin so she can be cleansed, and with praise/thanksgiving.
–She said she speaks scriptures back to God and we should combine prayer with scripture.

Moore reaffirms her romantic interest in Jesus

In practical manner, she said we should–
–Set a time to pray and that sticking to it helps develop the habit.
–Pray in the same place each day, for the same reason, hardening a discipline we want to encourage in our Christian life.
–Exclude any possible distractions that would hinder the development of this discipline.
–Pray in expanding spheres. For example, first for your family, then extended family, friends, unknown people, government, missionaries or countries. This pointer reflected the expanding spheres of Acts 1:8 when Jesus said to His disciples to witness to Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.
–Pray for others to help us remember the global church and guard against self-absorption.

These are the usually taught points for developing a habit of prayer. All good.

Prayer Tutorial Cons: Objectionable Content Ahead

It was great to see the massive interest in the topic. It’s heartening to see so many women clamor to be present at a tutorial on prayer. I don’t think anyone, if asked, would answer a query about their prayer life with “It’s perfect! No need to improve!” We all can do better in praying. But to Whom do we pray? Why do we pray? How do we pray? What does the Bible say about prayer?

These questions were not addressed, or if so, only briefly and offhand. This tutorial was absent of a grounding in scripture. Yes, scripture was mentioned- in general. Only three actual verses with addresses were given as far as I caught. One of those was totally twisted. One other verse was referred to but address not given. This is a poor showing for someone who says she has been a Bible teacher for 40 years and whose entire ministry is founded on promoting biblical literacy.

Who, What, Why, When, Where?

Moore displaying one of her prayer journals

WHO do we pray to? The object of our adoration was not explored. Yet this is where we should begin. Moore could have started, should have begun, with extolling God’s sovereignty, kingliness, sovereign ordination of all things. Positionally showing us as the creature, and He as Creator, signals the foundational point: our dependence on Him. A few verses here – in full, with addresses – would have gone a long way to setting the tone.

WHAT do we pray? She should have continued by teaching about Jesus’ own emphasis on prayer, as seen in Mark 1:35, Luke 5:16, Matthew 14:23. Jesus is the model for us in all things, since we are to pursue being Christ-like. What did Jesus pray about? How did He answer the disciples’ request in Luke 11:1, ‘Lord teach us to pray’. Moore missed an opportunity to use Jesus as the model, which also would have emphasized why prayer is important, (because it was important to Him). See this quote from from a Dallas Theological Seminary article:

Prayer reveals our priorities in life. “If I examine my prayers from this past week in light of the Great Commandment (Matt 22:37-40) and the Great Commission (Matt 28:18-20), how much did my prayers center upon God’s wisdom and power to obey these commands? If I’m honest, my prayers often focus on the physical realities of life with food, clothing, housing, and health. Jesus does not prevent us from praying for these things but reminds us the Father “knows” and “sees” all of our needs (Matt 6:25-32). Jesus challenges us to move beyond seeking and growing anxious over physical realities to focusing our primary efforts and affections on God’s kingdom (Matt 6:33)“.

WHY do we pray? Moore could have talked about the benefits of prayer. There are many, which I’ll address in part 2. But Moore’s sole emphasis seemed to be either that her “method” will help keep the word of God alive/fresh/vivacious in us; or that it satisfies a need God has to delight in us. She said, “He wants His joy to be complete by seeing our joy in Him.” There was no verse given for this statement. God IS complete, whether or not we pray to Him. It’s dangerous to casually state what God wants with no verse attached. We have the mind of Christ but we can’t read the mind of Christ.

The word of God IS alive and always will be. “For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, even penetrating as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12).

[The views for her tutorial are up to 80,000 now.]

She so often stated axioms focusing on how much God loves us to pray to Him, it became clear that what she believes keeps the word of God alive in us, is God thinking of His joy in our prayers. The focal point for a relentless 47 minutes was us.

I love to think of Him looking forward to me getting up [in the morning], I love knowing I’m loved and He wants to spend time with me.”
” ~Beth Moore on why we pray, Instagram Prayer tutorial 12/30/2021

Prayer reveals our view of self in relationship to God and others.

Three ways the content of our prayers exposes our theology

MYSTICISM: The Bible is not enough for Moore

An ongoing issue that I and many others have with Moore’s teaching is that it relies on the mystical. She claims to hear directly from God in various ways, ways that aren’t the written word. Which, if you think about it, is ironic for a ministry founded on the goal of advancing biblical literacy among women. By this point in her career, Moore too often tells you what she claims to have directly received and teaches that. The ways that Moore claims to hear from God outside the Bible are in visions, dreams, pictures in her head, a compelling force, impressions, voices, God telling her, God teaching her, and just plain speaking over her. (Source).

Moore said that she bases the upcoming year her life in Christ, on a verse that the Lord will directly give her.

“I love to see if the Lord will press a verse on my heart, that something will jump out at me a couple of weeks before the New Year. I love watching for Him to tell me what would be a key verse for this next year that will be a theme for the year.” ~Beth Moore, Instagram Prayer tutorial 12/30/2021

Once she receives this verse by direct revelation she adds it to the cover of her spiral prayer book and goes forward with that verse as her keystone. There were several other examples in the short tutorial where Moore said she relies on impressions or ‘leading’ or ‘laying on her heart’. She did not refer to the Bible verses for prayer except in 3 cases. Acts 12, incomplete verse address where the church was praying for Peter in Jail; Psalm 60:11-12, her key verse for last year the Lord mystically gave her; and Psalm 57:7-8. More on that last one at the end.

We don’t listen for the Spirit nor wait for Him to tell us anything that is outside of the Bible. The Bible is closed, there is no more revelation. (Deuteronomy 12:32, Revelation 22:18-19).

Moore’s Christian walk includes in large part waiting for God to drop teachings, advice, and verses into her head as she looks out for signs. This is mysticism, and it colludes God into a walk that diminishes His sovereignty. What happens when the key verse God allegedly gave her doesn’t match up with how her year turned out? She either has to stretch the verse into meanings it doesn’t intrinsically have, or she has to blame God for failing to hold up His part.

Me-me-me; I, I, I

Moore is self-centered. Her teaching method is eisegetically twisting verses to be about us. I wrote in 2011 after seeing her at a Living Proof live for two days, “Beth Moore has a way of explaining the Bible while not really explaining it, exalting God with her words yet diminishing His character at the same time.” I was horrified after she took a section of Deuteronomy exalting the LORD and making it about us. She is still at it. There was just so much talk about self in her tutorial, pointing God to us instead of us looking up to God.

An example of eisegesis from the lesson would be:

Awake, my glory!
Awake, harp and lyre!
I will awaken the dawn.

Psalm 57:8

Moore was telling her audience here that she prays upon arising, first thing in the morning. She slides out of bed and onto her knees. She likes the morning time because of the freshness of the day and the potential for a clean slate after she confesses sin. Fine. Then she said, said of that verse, “I love that my praise helps wake up the dawn. It’s figurative language but I just love it.”

Our praise of the Ancient of Days has nothing to do with the dawn’s existence or its rising, or not rising. A commentator explains that verse:

David’s tongue will lead, and his psaltery and harp will follow, in these hymns of praise. I myself will awake, not only, “I will not be dead, and drowsy, and careless, in this work,” but, “I will be in the most lively frame, as one newly awakened out of a refreshing sleep.” He will awake early to this work, early in the morning, to begin the day with God, early in the beginnings of a mercy. When God is coming towards us with his favours we must go forth to meet him with our praises.
~Matthew Henry’s commentary on the whole Bible

Women are taught badly if they listen to Beth Moore. Example: One woman said, “I love how you addressed how to discern who to pray for by the leading of the Spirit.” The Bible tells us who to pray for. Here is where Moore could have taught using the actual Bible and not a mystical process. The Bible tells us to pray for one another (James 5:16, Romans 1:9). To pray for pastors and spiritual leaders: (Ephesians 6:19-20), Colossians 4:3). The sick (James 5:14-15). Government leaders, Kings etc (1 Timothy 2:1-3). Our enemies (Matthew 5:44, Acts 7:59, 60). Israel, everyone, ourselves…and so on. We don’t need to look for signs to decide which Bible verse to adopt or wait for a mystical impression to decide who to pray for.

Conclusion

The Instagram Beth Moore Prayer Tutorial had some good points but was laced with enough poison to damage you. Its relentless focus on self, her mystical approach threaded throughout, and the absence of any real Bible teaching makes this Prayer Tutorial from Beth Moore one to skip. Yet 88,000 people have already viewed it, and it’s only 16 hours since she concluded. I pray you remain outside one of those 88,000 souls looking for teaching from Beth Moore.

Tomorrow I’ll write up some of the great things about prayer from the Bible. It’s full of advice, expectation, and model prayers from the hearts and minds of Moses, David, Job, Solomon, Daniel and other Bible men and women.

It happened that while Jesus was praying in a certain place, when He had finished, one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John also taught his disciples.” And He said to them, “When you pray, say:
‘Father, hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
‘Give us each day our daily bread.
‘And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation.'”
(Luke 11:1-4)

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Beth Moore is finally “home”

By Elizabeth Prata

Recently Beth Moore departed Lifeway, renounced being a Baptist, and loudly left the Southern Baptist Convention. In June she declared on her Twitter that she had found a “small liturgical church” in her area. Beth has been mightily enjoying this small, liturgical church. It is an Anglican church. Anglican, not Episcopalian.

She and husband Keith became members of it in September. She said she’s figuring out the “kneeling bench”. She bought the book Every Moment Holy Vol 1, containing over 100 liturgies for daily life (including liturgies for meals). She gushed and gushed about being ‘deeply wounded’ in previous churches, and is wowed by loving people who wrapped their arms around her and her husband and welcomed the pair. She was happy to find a different way to worship.

She said she loves saying the Creed. She said the liturgy has filled her with hope again (not Jesus?). She said she and Keith shot to the altar for communion ‘like starving people begging for bread.’ She also loves what this liturgical church is about, because it’s “not just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit.

Here is the Thread Reader unroll link to read what Beth Moore had to say about this new-found discovery of her “small, liturgical church.”

The Moores’ new church is part of the Anglican Church of North America. You can read about the Anglicans’ beliefs here, but suffice to say, it is as close to Roman Catholic as one can get without being Catholic. Some people in the congregation kneel as they enter the pew, as Catholics do. Some genuflect in the RCC sign of the cross. A crucified Christ remains on the cross attached to the main lectern. Vestments are highly ornate and present on all who serve at the pulpit, including women. Women serve as deacons.

Remember, her husband Keith was raised by staunch Catholics, and Moore has taught publicly that RCC is another denomination akin to Methodists and Baptists.

What is the Anglican Church, and what do Anglicans believe?

Because this is 2021 and people misunderstand and misinterpret things, I’ll be clear. I am NOT saying that Anglican (or other more overt liturgical church denominations of Episcopal, Lutheran, some Presbyterian, and some Methodist) are filled with lost people. NO. Men I respect like JI Packer were Anglican. Chris Rosebrough is a Lutheran pastor. Many millions of people who attend liturgical churches are brethren, blessed by the liturgical service structure and glory in it.

I AM saying that if a person is lost, as Beth Moore is, they will want the trappings of religiosity without the submission. THAT is much easier to find in a liturgical church than a confessional one. They want to appear righteous without the obedience. (Matthew 23:28). They are devoid of the Holy Spirit, so they will want outward religious apparatus, ornamentation, and ritual. They will love the emphasis on liturgical tradition and its script, not “just primarily upon what is coming from the pulpit” as Beth Moore has said. And of course she wants to avoid “what is coming from the pulpit” from her previous churches, the word of God convicts of sin and urges repentance. Moore is neither about obedience to the word nor repenting of her usurping ways with changing her long rebellion against Jesus. She is a seeker of a place that will indulge her ungodly passions.

While many saved people enjoy liturgical services, many false believers find it easier to fit in to them. The service affirms their intellectual assent but does nothing for their soul. These false converts feel satisfied in participating in religious scripts, rather than glorifying God in obedience to His word.

Beth Moore reads from Hebrews during service. A woman, serving as Deacon since 2008, gave the sermon. Notice attached to the pulpit the crucifix with a non-risen Jesus.

There are a great many women serving during the service at Beth Moore’s new church. They wear the priestly-type vestments, speak from the lectern, participate with the priest regarding the Eucharist portion of the service, lead processionals…even give the sermon as a woman did this week. This visible role of women would appeal to a rebel female preacher like Beth Moore. It’s natural for a false convert such as Moore to slide in to a church like this that offers her satisfaction of her lusts. (2 Timothy 3:4)

The second point of my essay is this, and it’s sad. False believers bring with them their false notions.

After just 2 months of being a church member, Beth Moore was asked to teach a study at her new Anglican church. The class is part of her church’s School of Ministry and “is for education for both ordained and lay people.” It’s titled “The Biblical Narrative and How to Teach a Bible Study.” You notice right underneath the class calendar listing screen shot below, is a course about women in ministry – taught by female deacon Rev. Deacon Lisa Schwandt. Schwandt was one of only 3 women invited in 2019 to the College of Bishops meeting (big Anglican meeting, like the SBC Annual Meeting) to discuss women in ministry.

Sadly though, installing Moore so quickly as a teacher in her new church, one by her own admission she is totally unfamiliar with in terms of doctrine and practice, demonstrates that the person making these decisions in her new church lacks discernment. It is unknown whether she is teaching a co-ed class. One person on Twitter asked, but the query went unanswered. She was also asked to MC the church’s Women’s Advent luncheon. (Though she did take time out to carp that she was asked not to speak but only to emcee…). She’s become embedded, fast.

I saw that she was listed as an alter server for an upcoming service. I am not sure what a Ps/Epis does but I think it is a person who reads a Psalm and an Epistle during service. See photo above, where Moore is reading the Epistle of Hebrews. We see in the collage below that Beth Moore is in vestments and serving in a variety of ways during the service.

I am not remarking on a liturgical service or anything about Anglicanism. I am saying that Beth Moore’s departure from the SBC to a place where her heart’s desire has always been to serve in a place the Bible forbids has finally been satisfied. She is finally “home”.

Beth Moore’s gravitation away from the faith is evident in this new move. She has always been me-centered and man-centered. Religious trappings for her are not a vehicle to further glorify God but a way to appear deeply committed, while absent of the obedience Jesus requires to be one of His own.

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, slanderers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [a]haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness although they have denied its power; avoid such people as these. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) underline mine.

then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from a trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt passion, and despise authority. (2 Peter 2:9-10)

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Beth Moore is Anglican now

By Elizabeth Prata

The News

Beth Moore and her husband Keith have become members of a local Anglican Church.

Background

False teachers exist. They damage the faithful and they blemish the spotless name of Jesus. They are a scourge.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1).

Beth Moore: False Teacher

One of these false teachers is Beth Moore. The Lord for His own reasons, has allowed her to operate publicly as a teacher for a very long time, since at least 1985. Her charm, her good looks, her expressive dynamism, and her talent for telling a story propelled her over the years to the top of the heap in ‘Bible Study’ authors and itinerant teachers.

Further Resources:
Has Beth Moore only recently drifted, or has she always been false?
Beth Moore’s Spiritual Biography

She has stayed there all this time. Before Moore parted with Lifeway, her publisher, earlier this year, I was told by a Lifeway worker in 2018 that “No one’s products provide as much revenue as Beth Moore’s”. She is popular, and the money proves it.

Further Resources: All Beth Moore Critiques here in One Place.

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The Beth Moore Effect, SBC Annual Meeting, and Storm Clouds

As the SBC prepares to gather…the storm clouds gather

By Elizabeth Prata

I know your deeds, and your love and faith and service and perseverance, and that your deeds of late are greater than at first. 20‘But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21‘I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality. 22‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23‘And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. (Revelation 2:19-23).

There are so many warnings about false teaching. There really is NO reason to tolerate it. The first instruction ever given to the church is in Matthew 18, to discipline unrepentant church-going sinners! Jesus taught much against the dangers of false teaching, using vivid language of ravenous wolves shredding the sheep. Paul warning of unaddressed sin spreading like gangrene. Peter warned of satan roaming the earth looking for someone to devour. The letters to the churches in Revelation were written well after all the previous epistles. The Thyatirans should have known better.

We should always be pursuing holiness, and tolerating sin is the opposite of slaying sin. It is a massive failure.

In Thyatira’s case, not only had they tolerated a false prophetess who was usurping a place of leadership, but she had been doing it unabated for so long that she had spawned a second generation of like-minded idolater usurpers.

But let’s start with the first and pervasive thought that comes to our mind as we read the letter. It is obvious that this church had tolerated sin. It had tolerated acts of immorality and certain involvement with idols, as verse 20 indicates it. And not only had it tolerated, but it had allowed the woman who was teaching that to have reached a point of prominence where she was articulating it and leading Christians astray, as well as collecting around her some false believers. The Lord promises that He’s going to judge, and He’s going to judge that church severely, sparing only those, according to verse 24, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them. (The Church that Tolerates Sin part 1)

Think on this: the pollution from the Jezebel false prophetess was polluting the church and bringing judgment upon them. On the surface everything looked fine, though. The letter opens with Jesus exclaiming that the church had love, faith, service, and perseverance! Yet all was not well. The leaven of tolerating this Jezebel woman’s usurpation was going to bring severe judgment. Yes, ‘Jezebel’ and her like-minded children will be judged, but so will the people who allowed it!

Most churches tolerate sin of some kind all too often. Congregants divorce and it goes unremarked. Gossip spreads on prayer chains and people overlook it. People steal from God by failing to give cheerfully, and no one knows (except the church Treasurer and Jesus). But there are consequences for tolerating sin. Tolerating false doctrine or a false teacher has the most devastating consequence of all.

“In the case of the church at Thyatira, as of the churches in Sardis and Laodicea, the situation was far more serious. Here not merely a small minority was indifferent but large numbers had actually yielded to the demoralizing influence of false teaching, and I might add of sin.” [Charles Erdman, "The Revelation of John, Philadelphia: Westminster, 1966. p 56].

False teaching pollutes the church. False teachers pollute the church. False prophecies pollute the church. The tolerance of the Thyatiran leadership allowed sin to permeate their church and pollute it. They weren’t even struggling against it! They were simply caving in and letting it run rampant.

Since sin always worsens, it never, EVER rectifies itself, the sin in the Thyatiran church had descended to “the deep things of satan.” Thankfully, those deep satanic things are not spelled out in the letter, because we don’t need to know specifics. Suffice to say, tolerating false a prophetess means that satan’s things will simply embed deeper and deeper.

Worse, her sinful example will inspire others to do the same. And in Thyatira, that is exactly what happened. She had been tolerated so long that the church had descended to the evils of idolatry and the deep things of satan. AND she had spawned a second generation of false prophetesses!

"He says, “I’m going to kill her children.” What does He mean? I don’t think He means His bondservants who were following her. He means the second generation of her falsehood. It tells me this, that this thing had been around long enough in this church - remember, we’re in 96 A.D. and this church has been around for 40 years, this thing has been around long enough that there is a second generation of people propagating the same stuff. That’s her children. She has begotten a generation who are advocating the same thing…" (Thyatira: The Church That Tolerates Sin Part 2)

Let’s look at a modern day example: Beth Moore. Moore is a false prophetess, teaching false doctrine, prophesying, leading women astray. Southern Baptist Convention leadership and her own church leadership tolerated Moore, a false prophetess usurping a place of leadership not designed for a woman, bringing false teachings to women, living a life not designed for wives to lead. Her own pastor vaulted her to the initial position of preaching on Sundays and teaching co-ed classes. Knowing this was forbidden and after cursorily questioning the legitimacy of this, Moore seized at the opportunity to put herself in a position not designed for her, and never let go.

When it was obvious that her usurping and prophesying was getting out of control, and that her local pastor was not going to do anything about it, SBC leaders also tolerated her usurpation. Some even congratulated her for it.

Does sin ever lay passively around, helplessly spread? No. Sin is aggressive and it will permeate if given even a minute chance, and that is what happened with Moore. Other like-minded, usurping women watched Moore carefully, and seeing no leadership objections and certainly no discipline or consequence to her sin, they vaulted forward. This is the second generation of her children (Revelation 2:23).

I’ve read so many women online who “credit” Moore for the ground-breaking she did in making it possible for them to teach, preach, and prophesy.

There are tons of comments like these from many women, either as well-known as Wilkin or less well known. It’s a steady stream online of women praising Moore for leading the way into egalitarianism and acceptance of women usurping in the church. The comments remain the same- they “credit” Moore’s example of a Thyatiran Jezebel for clearing the path for them to preach. Women have even been ordained in the SBC now, with leaders perfectly open about it. This must stop. Moore laid the groundwork for this result and leaders tolerated it to the point where it’s accepted now, but the rug can be pulled out and new ground work laid, one that stands upon biblical principles and is acceptable to Jesus.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He did not tolerate false prophetesses in his church leading people astray then, and He does not tolerate it now. He also doesn’t accept leaders tolerating this kind of sin, either. He will judge.

My exhortation for the leaders attending the upcoming SBC annual meeting is to re-think your stance on women teaching men and preaching. Not because I said so. But because Jesus did. We do not want to have our denomination descend int the “deep things of satan” anymore than it already has. It robs Jesus of glory! It harms His people.

My request to readers is that since there are caravans of good men heading to the Southern Baptist Convention Annual Meeting in Nashville June 15-16 with intent to persuade those tolerating this female usurping sin and other sins to rectify it, please pray for these men to be successful. Please pray for the ones who oppose curbing the leftward drift of our denomination, too.

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What are the biblical qualities God desires in a woman teacher? Not the ones Beth Moore exhibits

By Elizabeth Prata

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Beth Moore, biblically, is a teacher #fail

Did you know that for men who desire to teach, pastor, or lead, there are many more Biblical standards addressing their behavior than there are skill-level credentials? There’s just one mentioned skill: Men must be “able to teach”. But there are many more verses outlining how they are to behave. If they fail to adhere to any of the standards, including behavioral, they are disqualified from the position.

It’s the same for women. There are many more behavior and lifestyle standards than skills. If God were grading on a curve, behavior would weigh more than skills or talents. Here some of them are in Titus 2:3-5. The passage opens with admonishment for women to be reverent and ends with warnings that failure to be reverent will dishonor God’s word.

Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.

I think we all understand what it means to be reverent, not a malicious gossip, and not a drunk. What does sensible mean in this context? It is to be self-controlled and of sound mind. Mark that, I’ll come back to it. What does it mean to “dishonor” God’s word? The Greek here is blasphēmētai 987: “to slander, hence to speak lightly or profanely of sacred things.” It is to be irreverent.

Now that we know what God expects, let’s take a look at who fails the test, and why.

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Beth Moore announces she’s leaving the Southern Baptist Convention

By Elizabeth Prata

Beth Moore. Source

Celebrity ‘Bible teacher’ Beth Moore has identified herself with the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) since her earliest church-going days. She has had the support of Lifeway Books, an arm of the Convention, which has paid for half of her private jet travel to venues, including Australia, published her books, and organized her Living Proof events. She has been partnered at events with the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Commission president Russell Moore. She has been a member of SBC churches in the past (but not lately).

But all that is over, as today Beth Moore announced her split from the SBC and her departure from the Convention. This announcement is in-name-only, since she hasn’t adhered to the SBC’s Baptist Faith & Message for thirty years, and hasn’t been a member of any SBC church for a while. Her announcement today only confirms what we have known all along, she is leaving the SBC because she no longer identifies with its core beliefs. More on that in a moment.

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Beth Moore and the Danger of Dwelling on your Abuse

By Elizabeth Prata

Sunday Beth Moore did it again, tweeted something that agitated people. She is a pot-stirrer.

Pot Stirrer: One who causes unrest; one who stirs the pot. Synonym: troublemaker

Don’t stir that pot! Leave it alone. God your way, ladies, humbly, meekly, quietly.
Serve, love, casting all your cares upon Jesus

Here are the three tweets, posted 9:50 AM · Dec 13, 2020. It’s the first tweet that most people saw and retweeted.

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Is Beth Moore Possessed?

By Elizabeth Prata

I’ve been wondering this for a while. I have reasons for thinking it, and I mean the question with absolutely no snark, no sarcasm, and no mal-intent. Is Beth Moore possessed?

The question is sincere, but after I explore it briefly, my question also provides an opportunity to have a larger discussion about demons & possession.

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Has Beth Moore only recently drifted, or has she always been false?

By Elizabeth Prata

Follow up essay: Beth Moore’s Spiritual Biography

Answer: Beth Moore is a false teacher. She has always been false.

Who is Beth Moore?

Beth Moore is a Bible teacher based out of Houston. She is married with two grown children, and is a grandmother. Her company is called Living Proof Ministries, a tax-exempt corporation founded in November of 1995. She has written numerous Bible studies and one novel. Moore has a television program on the TBN channel, and also travels around the country teaching at Living Proof Live (LPL) weekends, two-day sessions that fill arenas with enthusiastic women. These LPL attendees are a unique crowd in that some are groupies who follow her from city to city. Others who don’t physically follow Moore from venue to venue but follow her online and her teachings, are fervent in their embracing not only of what Moore teaches but her entire persona. If Moore is critiqued negatively in any way, her followers defend her madly. Continue reading “Has Beth Moore only recently drifted, or has she always been false?”